annececilia, You are the second person to mention Hortico's instructions re a very short soak for multiflora. It was mentioned before that it really didn't make sense to some others here. I always get multiflora and soak them just like any other bare root, from days up to a week usually and have never had a problem. Just thought I would mention it as it is a shame to have to hurry if it is not necessary. As to Felix I got a tiny one last year locally. It spent the first season getting settled and did not bloom. However it came through winter very well although I did protect it as it was so small and it's first year. Both, I have seen conflicting reports as well. From what we have heard up here in Canada Felix will make a 3 to 4' shrub in very cold areas. With partial cane survival it will reach 8'. In your Z5 location I would expect you will see it get much taller than that. I have seen one photo from a Z5 location where it was easily 14-16' and amazing. Congrats to both of you in getting your hands on one. Although we don't know yet if Felix will be unique enough to make it stand apart from say John Cabot or other similar canadian climbers at least you have one, and that may turn out to be fortunate as it looks like the Artist Program has collapsed and these first 2 intro's may be all there is. FWIW I noticed that mine prefered it a little on drier side. When I watered as I normally would for a first year smallish baby he pouted until I backed off on the water. Cathy

thank you for that. I've got things saved people have written about inside, outside and misting. I wasn't set up to do that, have way overspent, am low on energy. It was all I could do to make myself turn back to my plants from other things going on. In due course, I'll try out your method, I'm not set up with any fluorescent light except on my kitchen ceiling, was going to work on that over the winter. Now I looked at the few gallon pots I had, was wondering where to get more, and decided the heck with it, went and bought some plastic half-gallon terra cotta colored pots at the hardware store (no they look like almost a gallon). If roots start growing through the bottom holes of those, I'll deal with it then. I know gallon pots would be better, they are too heavy, take too much potting soil, and have huge holes in the bottom, and I did not feel like looking for any more rocks to plug them. My cuttings have all these roots but no new leaves, so I wasn't sure if I should pot them up. Think I should, and am thinking of even potting up the ones that have bare stems and covering with soda bottles, and see what happens. But pot them in what soil? I've got contingency plans and shelves ready to move them to the west wall of my bedroom that gets only reflected light from the house next door (close), shut the register as far as it will go, and get a humidifier when I start to wean them out of the bottles. If I get to that point. Thank you for sharing your experience. I don't know if I should use pure potting soil or mix some peat and vermiculite in with it, been reading about H2O2, wonder if that will work instead of capstan when I start seedlings next spring inside, wonder if I should use it on my cuttings, tried some with one that is growing white moldy stuff on it, nothing happened with that, people talk about ml, how do I measure that? I read 1 tbsp then fill a cup with water. What H2O2? The regular kind you buy in the brown bottle at the drugstore? This aimed at anyone who may happen to read, not you, Angel. I've been following michelle_co's posts, and everything different ones write when they've had success, she has to bring hers in now, too, my situation is just a little bit different. I'm at a critical point now. I will watch them carefully and may have to wing it on some of it. I think every cutting but one that looks iffy in the medium George Mander recommended to me has rooted, 8 of those. Maybe that rose just roots easily. I had it going earlier, didn't see roots but it (and another kind) was growing new leaves, then the heat got them all. My rooted ones I stuck August 13, not quite two months, the temps outside were up and down like a yoyo but not like the heat wave we had earlier. It was the medium, the pop bottles, and luck I guess so far. I'm really scared to get any sun on them too soon. They were getting just a little sun outside, but it was cooler by then. I'll take the caps off the bottles for a few days before I take the bottles off, and then only for maybe about 4 hours a day for a week or so, it's so darn confusing, don't want to jostle those delicate leaves by too much off and on.

Grace, I grinned at the horses in blankets, but they're not used to winter weather. My Copenhagen has never worn a blanket, he stands with his tail to the wind in 20 below and lets the snow pile up on his back. He could go inside the barn for shelter if he chose to, but he never does. Poor King is just like a big dumb duck, he goes where ever Cope goes, even if it means outside in a blizzard. If it's sunny and anywhere above 20F, he just goes out and rolls in the snow to cool off, LOL. Elery's Chihuahua hates the cold too, and he's grown up in Michigan, but he still wants his coat and he comes inside and lies in front of my electric heater. I think he asked Santa for one of those coats like your Jack Russell has! I'm glad you enjoyed the snow, I love it but I know I'm odd. It makes everything so clean and white and beautiful, though. Annie

Hey Janis! Thanks for asking. It's funny, all I have been thinking of is what Nashvilleans says when it snows. At least we don't live in Atlanta and are getting ice! Looks like the tables are turned? Glad you didn't get it too bad. I posted how it all went on other posts. here's one