Prof - my mistake and apologies. (It's the "per say". In fact I think you meant "per se", which basically means "intrinsically" or "by itself".) Anyhow, for Knockout, I'd rather see that growing than a rose that's defoliated from blackspot or no rose at all. And I'd prefer no rose at all to one that required weekly spraying to stay healthy. The Blush Knockout is quite a beautiful plant on its own. Not sure why it would be such a horror if it were to develop a climbing sport. Especially for people who don't have a lot of extra time to spend in the garden, those roses are wonderful. I've got plenty of roses, but I've also got Ramblin Red climbing up the back fence and I'm happy every time I look back there and see it.

Hi Lisa. From the sound of your post, you BELONG here, LOL. I'm glad you joined us. I'm not to the dishaholic stage yet..but not because "they" haven't tried to influence me! I can sort of relate to your DH's method of shopping. Mine is a golf nut, so its fine for me to shop while he does his thing. LOL. Makes me really like golf a lot. I was just thinking, when I joined this Forum two years ago, that it mostly was holiday stuff. Then during the off months when almost no one posted, some of the gals started showing dishes and tablescapes, and its been so much fun ALL year to be part of this Forum. You won't find a friendlier bunch! Jim and all the gals are just wonderful. And loads of photos to enjoy and inspire! hugs, Karen

What fun! And what did you play. Our 3 year old grandson is into learning how to play Red Light, Green Light and soccer too. Don't let him wear you out!

At the electrical supply houses - they have large junction boxes with a cover panel that would work for you - they come in various sizes. I have both a 12"x12"x6" junction box at one end of my garage and an 8"x8"x4" at the other end. Both are in the ceiling but could be put on the wall. These larger junction boxes are gray painted. Those larger ones cost somewhere between $10-$20. Not sure if they carry them at big box stores - but they are easily available at all electrical supply houses. The nice thing about the larger boxes is they come with a cover plate. The smaller metal ones - you have to pay separate for the cover. Depending on how many NM wires you are bringing in you might get by with what is called a 4-11-16 junction box (because it is 4-11/16"). This is much easier to work with than the standard cramped 4" junction boxes they sell at Big box stores. BTW - they do sell the 4-11-16 boxes at the Big box stores too - just ask if you can't find them. When I moved into my house - there was a 4" junction box with an extension on top - and it looks messy - especially when a larger roomy junction is not that expensive at your local Electrical supply house. This was changed out to an 8"x8"x4" box. Even though I had a 2"x10" joist in the ceiling of the garage - I got the 4" deep one because it gave us a lot of room on top of the box to bring in all the Romex and cable connectors... and the 8"x8" was over sized already. There is an NEC table that will help you calculate how many Cu. in you need in a junction box to hold the number of NM you are bringing in. It is different depending on if you are using 12g or 14g or 10g. Use the table... it will help you add it all up - and then get a bigger box rated for higher Cu. in. then your calculation - you may need to add to it in the future - and it's hard to work in a tight box anyway - ones you shove in all the wire nuts. Here is a link that might be useful: Large junction box