I love Jeri Jennings, too, but Rosa 'Jeri Jennings' rarely had leaves in my gsrden - SAD to say. Reading the glowing beginning posts here was making me feel inadequate and ponder the possibility that my organic gardening practices were not providing enough nitrogen. I'm still wondering that, but I took comfort from Lucretia and Kate. After moving JJ to a shadier spot I SP'd her a few months ago. I finally got tired of looking at her all miserable. She had some lovely moments though. Sherry Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...

Thanks. I am embarrassed to say that not only is mine growing in a small bed cut out of sea of ground cover daisies, but that part of the garden has never ever been dug or amended - for at least 40 years it was used for parking, and was graveled and sprayed with weed killer regularly. When we first moved in I had a friend who showed up and said that we should plant these So. African ground cover daisies there, as "they will grow anywhere" - she was correct - we just dug some small holes about 4 feet apart (the bed is 6 feet by 40 feet) and plopped 4" daisy plugs in them, and the daisies immediately spread and flourished, and are sill flourishing. The soil is our normal clay, presumably much compacted by being parked on, and a little relieved by the daisies growing there for 25 years. Also, each year that bed gets about 8 inches of large oak leaves dropped on it, which the daisies "eat" over the Winter - the leaves just completely disappear without human intervention. So, it makes sense that this rose is staying put in its little bed. I am happy that it is growing and blooming in partial shade, and perhaps it will get more adventurous in future years and get bigger - I love just seeing what roses will do - they always surprise me! Jeri - thanks for the lovely pictures of yours - Jackie

I looked at the Jenn-air a little closer and found it to have lower quality items like plastic casters, (like office furniture would). That really turned me off. I think for the same money the MM is a much better value. I think for an extra $200 the Virco at Costco can not be beat. I bought one two weeks ago and could not be happier. I looked at the Jenn-air first but I didn't feel the grill was in the same class as the MM or Virco. As far as brands go, I would not be surprised if the Jenn-air was made for them by someone else anyways. I think that if brand is of a concern, you might want to stick to Weber. I think that today, too many manufacturers live on their legacy and don't necessarily build as good a product as they used to. I sometimes see the better built items from the more obscure companies, because they want to build a name, not live off one. I have cooked a great many items on my Virco so far and have had nothing but perfection. I rotisseried some chickens on Memorial Day, they were perfect, nice and juicy. No complaints yet and it is made in Taiwan. Full 304 stainless steel from stem to stern. Very good fit and finish. Just my two cents worth (maybe four!) bsbbq

If that is what you are asking about, I've had them and was not impressed. That kitchen was almost enough to make me stop cooking. It had other faults, but the grill module barely got hot enough to warm something -- we trashed it and set a cutting board over the space. The coil burners were always wonky. I think one worked on a limited temp range (maybe high only?) and the other was the one burner we had for 90% of our cooking. Our oven was too small for cookie sheets. I had a micro-convection oven that saved me. We started looking at plans to update and wound up moving here instead. Do they still make those? If you are looking at a house with them, you can make do until you decide on a replacement. Or you can get take out. LOL