Hi Trace_stew hi good if you like those books. You said "Thanks for finding it for me!" you found this message yourself, but if you meant finding those books then your message is o.k. Then we can continue as there is still more books online, if i saw it right. Next book name is Prunning fruit trees from 1917 and online version has 48 pages. This is West Virginia university agricultural experiment station bulletin 164. This book tells how to prun fruit. Here is the link : http://www.archive.org/details/pruningfruittree164alde Next book name is An epitome of Mr. Forsyth's treatise on the culture and management of fruit trees from 1803 and online version has 268 pages. This book have Apricot growing tips , plum varieties, pear varieties and peach varieties. Here is the link : http://www.archive.org/details/epitomeofmrforsy01fors Next book name is Sun-scald of fruit trees : a type of winter injury from 1916 and online version has 66 pages. It tells about sun scald about fruit trees. Book says sun scald is winter injury to tree trunk which was southwest or sun side exposed. Here is the link : http://www.archive.org/details/sunscaldoffruitt00mixa Next book name is A treatise on the insects most prevalent on fruit trees and garden produce from 1829 and online version has 313 pages. This books have pear, plum, peach, fig diseases and treatment tips. Here is the link : http://www.archive.org/details/atreatiseoninse00majogoog Next book name is The orchard house; or, The cultivation of fruit trees in pots under glass from 1879 and online version has 299 pages. This books tells about growing peaches, plums, cherries, figs, pears and grapes in pots. Book says under glass, i think it means in green house. Here is the link : http://www.archive.org/details/orchardhouseorc00rivegoog Next book is The tree pruner: being a practical manual on the pruning of fruit trees, etc and have 227 pages. It have peach prunning, training, management , pear prunning, apple prunning and pear prunning tips. Here is the link : http://www.archive.org/details/treeprunerbeing00woodgoog Next book name is A Treatise on the Culture and Management of Fruit Trees ... from 1824 and online version has 575 pages. I have already gave this book earlier, but this was later made book and also had more pages so i give it again here. This book have have apricot, plum, peach prunning and training tips. This books also have peach varieties. Here is the link : http://www.archive.org/details/atreatiseoncult01forsgoog Next book name is The Orchard: Including the Management of Wall and Standard Fruit Trees, and ... from 1839 and online version has 501 pages. This book have planting, prunning and training advice on peaches, pear, apple and apricot. This book also have peach, raspberry, pineapple and strawberry variety describtions. Here is the link : http://www.archive.org/details/orchardincludin00mcingoog Next book name is The science and practice of grafting, pruning, and training fruit trees, tr. by W. Wardle from 1862 and online version has 253 pages. This books have grafting, trading and prunning advice on peaches, cherries, plums and pears. Here is the link : http://www.archive.org/details/scienceandpract00breugoog Next book name is Observations on the barrenness of fruit trees, and the means of prevention and cure from 1813 and online version has 114 pages. This books tells about this diseases and it's handling advices. (Not sure is this disease, but i quickly looked into it and didn't got right it so i just say disease here.) Here is the link : http://www.archive.org/details/observationsonba00lyonrich Next book name is Catalogue of fruit trees cultivated by George Bunyard & Co., Royal Nurseries, 1898-99 from 1898 and online version has 158 pages. This book have peach, apple, grape and blackberry variety describtions. Here is the link : http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924000721252 Next book Tree wounds and diseases, their prevention and treatment, with a special chapter on fruit trees from 1916 and online version has 310 pages. This books talks about fruit tree diseases and how to treat them. Here is the link : http://www.archive.org/details/treewoundsdiseas00websuoft Next book name is The tree planter and plant propagator; being a practical manual on the propagation of fruit trees from 1880 and online version has 382 pages. This book have peach, cherry, plum and pear propagation advices. Here is the link : http://www.archive.org/details/treeplanterplant00wooduoft Next book The fruit garden : a treatise intended to explain and illustrate the physiology of fruit trees ... illustrated with upwards of 150 figures from 1852 and oline version has 434 pages. This book have pear varieties, plum varieties, strawberry varieties and peach varieties. It also have tips about gathering fruit. Here is the link : http://www.archive.org/details/fruitgardentreat02barr Next book name is A treatise on the insects injurious to fruit and fruit trees of the State of California, and remedies recommended for their extermination from 1881 and online version has 80 pages. This book have fruit tree insects and their handling information for California. Here is the link : http://www.archive.org/details/treatiseoninsect00cook Next book name is A treatise on the insects injurious to fruit and fruit trees of the state of California, and remedies recommended for their extermination from 1888 and oline version has 92 pages. This book have fruit tree insects and their handling information for California. This books have same name as above but seems to be different book. Here is the link : http://www.archive.org/details/treatiseoninsect00klee Next book name is Fruit culture vol 1 from 1912 and online version has 600 pages. This books have apple, pear, cherry, quince, apricot varieties describtions. It also have apple prunning, pear prunning advice, apricot orchard operations, cherry orchard operations, quince management advice and apple, pear, cherry, apricot and quince variety describtions. Here is the link : http://www.archive.org/details/fruitculture01inte Next book name is Fruit Culture vol 2 from 1912 and online version has 586 pages. This second part above book. This books have peach, plum, grape, strawberry, raspberries, blackberries, dewberries, currants and gooseberry variety describtions. It also have peach orchard management, plum operations, vineyard management, fertilization of strawberries, planting red raspberries, planting blackberries, planting dewberries, planting currants and planting gooseberries advices. Here is the link : http://www.archive.org/details/fruitculture02inte I have found another source of online books, so now i change site and list some fruit tree books from there. Next book name is Fruit-gardening: containing complete practical directions for the selection, propagation and cultivation of all kinds of fruit from 1901 and online version has 211 pages. This books have training and prunning tips for fruit trees. It also have peach variety describtions. Here is the link : http://chla.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=chla;idno=3145797 Next book name is The fruit-growers guide-book from 1911 and online version has 288 pages. This books have prunning tips for fruit trees. Here is the link : http://chla.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=chla;idno=2716512 Next book name is Fruit growing from 1925 and online version has 777 pages. This books tells about fruit bud formation, rest period of fruit trees, fruit thinning and fruit setting advices. Here is the link : http://chla.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=chla;idno=3114284 Next book name is Fruit-growing in arid regions: an account of approved fruit-growing practices in the inter-mountain country of the western United States from 1910 and online version has 399 pages. This book have buds, prunning young trees, irrigation and mature tree prunning advice. Here is the link : http://chla.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=chla;idno=3076603 Next book name Fruits and vegetables under glass: apples, apricots, cherries, figs, grapes, melons, peaches and nectarines, pears, pinapples, plums, strawberries; asparagus, beans, beets, carrots, chicory, cauliflowers, cucumbers, lettuce, mushrooms, radishes, rhubarb, sea kale, tomatoes from 1912 and online version has 256 pages. This book tell about growing fruit under glass which probably mean green house, it have grape thinning, grape vine cultivate in pots, commercial grape culture tips and cultural advice on peaches. Here is the link : http://chla.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=chla;idno=2731255 Next book name is Fruits of the Hawaiian Islands from 1907 and online version has 77 pages. This books describes fruit trees and what their fruit tastes. Here is the link : http://chla.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=chla;idno=2730785 I stop now, that was many books in this listing.

[I have seen nothing to indicate a potential crash in the fruit market, as you propose.] I wrote that production was collapsing, not the market itself. If you have fruit to sell and you can ship it to Tokyo you'll get about $10-20/lb if it's any good, which is why the few cherries left for sale in Washington are usually culls and go for about $4/lb. The Chinese farmer of 1 generation ago is now the Chinese factory worker making clothes and kitsch to sell into the USA through seller financing of the trade deficit. That factory worker's ancestors might have eaten apples, grapes, oranges, or litchees, but she eats highly fractionated foods--she might for example drink water mixed with corn syrup, citric and malic acids, and yellow food coloring, that comes in a bottle with a picture of an apple on it. The truck farms that used to surround Chinese major cities are long gone, replaced with factories, shopping malls, and the Chinese equivalent of American 'burbs. This is a global phenomenon. The economies that didn't get the industrialization are either collapsing completely (Zimbabwe--yet another globalization scheme that failed), or are turning into plantation operations for global commodities (Mexico and Chile). Chile and to a lesser degree Mexico still do grow fruit for export, because the national currencies are still cheap enough to make it feasible. Fruit and especially tree fruit production is hard to commoditize. Globalization is not destiny, contrary to Thomas Friedman (a paid spokesman); it is a design to support credit hedgemony.

I missed your ammonia paragraph, Skybird, oops, shows I should read more carefully. Last week, my DD managed to kick a soccer ball into a bush with resident wasp nest and was stung when she retrieved the ball, ran into the greenhouse and slapped a paper towel with ammonia on it, and that was that. And for those who have fungus gnats in their houseplants/seedling starting stuff, that BT israelensis takes care of them very nicely. I order a 20 oz batch, and it lasts several years. When I start my seedlings, I sprinkle a couple of grains of the stuff in each cell, and no more fungus gnats. Here is a link that might be useful: link

I'm a bit embarrassed that I didn't keep track of my references that I used in my assessment of Bt toxicity in vertebrates. This was one I did use. It a project at McGill University. You might find this and several of the references interesting: http://eap.mcgill.ca/MagRack/JPR/JPR_22.htm I couldn't agree with you more regarding the Monsanto 'studies'. Monsanto 'expert promoters' are little more than hired guns. Although there are many, many, UC Davis seems particularly overloaded with them. The grant list there from the Big 5 agro bio folks (Monsanto, Dupont, Dow, Syngenta, BASF) is astounding. It's fearful that these corporations now control over 35% of the World non GM commercial seed. All under patent, of course. Monsanto's stated goal is to control all the World food supply. They alone control over 25% as I write this. The W.H.O. is a laugh. They do make some interesting statements. A couple weeks ago they classified glyphosate as a probable carcinogen. There are some studies that confirm. Then there is the unscrupulous, in my mind totally a hired gun (Monsanto's) attack on Seralini's work and findings. I reviewed the peer reviews as well as Seralini's findings. Seralini's methods that were attacked were for the most part, valid to me. The attacks were generally without scientific merit. Nearly all the attackers were agro bio grant recipients. Shills! You are soooo correct in the sham that 'Science' has become. Our government protection agencies, the FDA, USDA, etc. are now used as tools to make money. They make a mint in any approval process, then even more when the product proves harmful. The FDA has collected many billions of $$ in just this Administration alone. The drug manufacturers just crank that into the cost of doing business. Meanwhile the public has been exposed to life ending or threatening issues. I am one of those victims. I will die prematurely due to a bad med. The manufacturer lied about trial results and admitted so in Federal Court. We victims collected a pittance, yet live with the pain daily. The Govt collected a bundle. Wow.... We drifted way off Heaven Can Wait. Sorry to all that we may have sucked into our discussion here.