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bamboo floor fumes--anyone else have this problem??

17 years ago

Hi, has anyone installed a bamboo floor and had trouble with fumes? We purchased Morning Star Bamboo from Lumber Liquidators and installed it in a bedroom. We had planned to do the whole second floor with it but had installation delays--luckily! We noticed a strange, acrid odor right after installation. We weren't using the room much, though, so it wasn't a problem. We just left the window open for a few days, thinking that would take care of it. Well, a couple months later we moved in and the fumes were AWFUL--I mean, make your eyes tear and your nose burn awful. For the past month we have been venting the room with a fan to the outside, but it doesn't seem to be doing much good. We've been sleeping in this room and if we can't ventilate it for at least ten hours first (and we often can't now that the weather is getting so cold) then I wake up with a burning nose and a headache and my husband's eyes swell up. This product supposedly meets "more stringent" European emission standards, but it is definitely causing a health issue for us--perhaps not for folks who don't have allergies or sensitivities or whatever, but for us it is a big problem. LL will not take what's left back. I'm wondering if anyone else has had similar problems with bamboo products and whether they've been able to mitigate it. I don't really want to continue with the installation, but if LL continues to balk at taking it back, we're not sure what we'll do...looking into other flooring options, but if we're saddled with this bamboo, we may not have $$ left over to do anything with this floor and may have to do what we can with ventilating whenever we can! If this is a known health issue with these floors, though, and not "just us" (I do have a type of migraine that makes me sensitive to chemicals) then we want to push LL both to take this stuff back and to stop selling it!

Comments (69)

  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    March 2011 My friend is a builder, just bought 1,000 sq. ft. of Morning Star Bamboo Flooring from Lumber Liquidators. She opened a number of boxes, getting ready to lay the floor, within 4 days she was experiencing extreme cognitive malfunctioning, inability to drive, metallic taste in her mouth. The doctors say this is not formaldehyde poison symptoms. She's had IV and is under treatment with vitamin and mineral supplements, limiting her diet to organic fruits and vegetables. She has been out of the environment where the fumes were for five days but she is still having recurring symptoms and we don't know what sort of treatment to seek. LL says the contents of the product is formaldehyde and polyurethane.

    We're wondering if the brain damage is permanent, how long it will take to be well, what's next.

    Beware of the Morning Star brand of Bamboo Flooring that LL sells!!

    Any suggestions for anecdote for the toxic poisoning?

  • 13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I am considering on using Morning Star " Tiger Strand " bamboo flooring. LL states that the formaldehyde level is within the manufacture spec's. If anyone has info either positive or negetive I would like to know, or if there is a similar looking product. Thanks

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  • 13 years ago
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  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

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    3000 John Deere Road
    Toano, VA 23168
    Emergency phone: 1 800-HARDWOOD
    Fax: 1 757 259 7295
    IMPORTANT NOTICE: This material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) is issued by LUMBER
    LIQUIDATORS. LUMBER LIQUIDATORS flooring will issue a new MSDS when there is a
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    IDENTIFICATION
    Product name: Prefinished Strand Bamboo Flooring
    Trade name: Morning Star Bamboo Flooring
    Other Names: Various
    Manufacturer Information: Lumber Liquidators Inc
    3000 John Deere Road
    Toano, VA 23168
    Tel: (757) 259-4280
    Fax: (757) 259-7295
    www.lumberliquidators.com
    Description:
    This product is composed of bamboo fibers bonded together with urea formaldehyde (UF) resins.
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    UN number: Not applicable
    Dangerous goods class: Not applicable
    Product Use: Building Materials � Commercial or Residential
    MSDS Morning Star Strand Bamboo Flooring,
    Revision 3, April 2009 Page 2 of 7
    Hazardous ingredients/identity information:
    Name CAS
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    Bamboo1 None 89-90 OSHA3
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    TLV-STEL8 10 mg/m3
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    Respirable dust fraction
    Respirable dust fraction
    Inhalable particles
    Urea Formaldehyde resin
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    9011-
    05-6
    10-11 OSHA
    OSHA
    ACGIH
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    PEL-STEL 2 ppm
    TLV - Ceiling 0.3 ppm
    Free gaseous formaldehyde
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    UV Finish
    Polymerized polyurethane
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    None
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    Freezing Point: Not applicable
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    Vapour Density: Not applicable
    % Volatiles By Volume: 0
    Melting Point: Not applicable
    Vapour Pressure: Not applicable
    Percent Moisture 5% - 9%
    Solubility in H20 (% by wt.): Evaporation Rate (Butyl Acetate = 1): Not applicable
    pH: Not applicable
    MSDS Morning Star Strand Bamboo Flooring,
    Revision 3, April 2009 Page 3 of 7
    Appearance and odor: Bamboo fibers mixed creating a shade blend unique
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    Revision 3, April 2009 Page 4 of 7
    HEALTH HAZARD INFORMATION
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    NTP-Group 2: Reasonably anticipated to be a
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    Ingestion
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    Revision 3, April 2009 Page 5 of 7
    Inhalation
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    Eyes
    Flush eyes with large amounts of water. Remove to
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    Skin
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    medical advice if rash or persistent irritation or
    dermatitis occurs.
    Inhalation
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    purchased form. However, if inhalation of bamboo
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    Handling and Storage
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    small quantities of gaseous formaldehyde (≤0.12
    mg/m3, which is below the E1 classification in
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    Store in well ventilated area.
    MSDS Morning Star Strand Bamboo Flooring,
    Revision 3, April 2009 Page 6 of 7
    Personal Protective Equipment:
    Respiratory Protection
    Not applicable for product in purchased form. A
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    when allowable exposure limits are exceeded.
    Protective Gloves
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    Eye Protection Not applicable for product in purchased form.
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    Minimize blowdown or other practices that generate
    high airborne-dust concentrations.
    Local Exhaust Provide local exhaust as needed so that exposure
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    Special / other None
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    accepted in most states. It is, however, the user�s
    responsibility to determine at the time of disposal
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    hazardous waste. Follow applicable federal, state, and
    local regulations.
    Transport and Regulatory
    information
    Not regulated as hazardous material by the U.S
    Department of Transportation and the Canadian
    Transportation of Dangerous Goods (TDG).
    Not a controlled product by WHMIS

  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

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    last modified: 9 years ago

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  • 12 years ago
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  • 12 years ago
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  • 12 years ago
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  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

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  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    i had the same freaking problem. purchased morning star strand bamboo and it stinks bad and it does not go away. if anyone want to join me in a class action lawsuit please reply. LL knows about this issue and continues to sell the product and not tell consumers

  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

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  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I had no idea that this thread existed. I was not previously a member but joined up to post comments. I just ordered 1300sq ft of the morningstar strand qing cobra.

    I also got a sample first. I have it here with me at work, so I did 2 tests on it after reading about some of the water issues....

    First test, poured water on the top sheet and left the pool sit for 5 minutes. I wiped the water off, and there was no noticeable discoloration or softness of the wood. I dont believe the top coat is porous enough to allow it through.

    Second test, poured water on the top sheet, and made effort to get some on the tung/groove areas, and bottom sheet. Left it for an hour and 30 mins and went to a meeting. I wiped it off again, top sheet was still fine, no discoloration or softness. The tung/groove area still felt hard, not maliable or soft. The bottom layer did look discolored like it had soaked up some of the water. I tried peeling on the bottom to reproduce some of the splintering issues that were presented before, but I could only get a strand or 2 to come up with my thumbnail.

    Anyone having water issues must have either their animals peeing everywhere, windows leaking, or leaving water stand on it much longer than a reasonable period of time.

    As for the odor, the sample i received doesnt smell too bad? Maybe when i get the whole load though, it will be more evident. More to follow...

  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    It is not hard to mess up urea formaldehyde (UF) gluing.

    Low quality ingredients can make the problem worse.

    There are a number of curing 'tricks' for UF.

    Some chemical, some temperature.

    A mistake anywhere along the line can result in excessive formaldehyde release from the material (and wet and warm can also cause release of formaldehyde, thus the reason UF is limited to indoor use mainly).

  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    please look at my post "bad bamboo floor odor from LL "Lumber Liquidators" ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/flooring/msg0302064114023.html

  • 12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Found this post too late! Just had it installed and yes it stinks. Anyone find any way to help disapate the smell or does it ever subside?

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    We are having the same issue..
    we had it installed at the end of last year and since then we have had tons of health issues.
    still are having issues.

    any word on possible litigation? Would it be a general lawsuite or just against one particular company?

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I was close to purchasing 1500sf of strand bamboo flooring from WELL known store that specializes in flooring. I actually did buy half and canceled the order after further investigation. Thank God I didn't take the floor with me otherwise I would have been charged a huge restocking fee. Anyway, I would like to share information I found so that if someone is on the fence with their decision to purchase strand bamboo flooring they can decide for themselves. As for me, I found out that based on the MSDS located on website of this well advertised flooring store that the strand bamboo is glued together with the use of urea formaldehyde (UF) resins. After reading the description on the MSDS downloaded FROM THE WEBSITE it will list clear as day that the strand bamboo is glued together with urea formaldehyde. After I was able to establish that as a fact I then did research on the use of urea formaldehyde as it relates to indoor air quality. Apparently it's used in multiple items that could be in a home but one must consider the elevated levels when potentially flooring an entire home with the stuff or the room that you would be sleeping in. Hence in my opinion the reason some people are having bad reactions to the stuff after getting it installed. Please visit this website http://www.epa.gov/iaq/formaldehyde.html . After reading the information about how urea formaldehyde can affect the indoor air quality I decided that IT WAS NOT FOR ME. I KNOW, not all bamboo flooring uses glue that is formaldehyde based. You will have to do the research and ask questions before buying but do not go on the words of the sales rep, read the MSDS. Granted, I would assume that depending on how much flooring is use would impact how much air quality would be affected but as stated I decided it was not worth the health of my family to find out. Not to mention the stuff isn't cheap by any means depending on how much flooring you need. I have no bones to pick with the store or the manufacturer but I think it's fair that everyone knows the facts. I can think of ten other businesses that sell or manufacture products that are questionable all in the effort to make a buck. My issue is putting a large amount of material in a living space that is potentially toxic to the health of human beings. I even told the customer service rep at the store when I was canceling my order with my concern of the glue used to bind the material containing urea formaldehyde and they said in a dismissive tone, 'the flooring does not have formaldehyde but...whatever.' The rep was the same rep that sold me the flooring may I add! My sole purpose for posting this info is to hopefully to inform someone but in the end it is still your decision. I hope that I was able to help make a difference in a positive way, God bless!!!

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Well guess what folks, after I made the post above.....the store altered the MSDS on the website which means my post got into the brain of someone at headquaters and had them thinking. What happens if more people view this on our website and we are stuck with all this flooring that no one wants to buy??? We better alter the MSDS so that it's not so obvious immediately and keep selling this stuff! Damn shame, damn shame! Whoever did that you must sleep well at night! You altered the information three days after my post went up. Although your MSDS still says the stand bamboo flooring contains formaldehyde it just doesn't say urea formaldehyde anymore and it's not as easy to find the info like it was before. On one hand it's good to know my post reached someone that high up in your company on the other hand innocent people are going to spend hundreds or thousands of their hard earned money, LIKE I ALMOST DID, buying something that I wouldn't take for free after finding out what it's made of. Think about the proud Mom or Dad or Mom and Dad that just installed all the urea formaldehyde glued flooring throughout the house and into the kids room not knowing what it could do to them, potentially.

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    well, I was just reading all of this last night as a friend has had problems with fumes from her bamboo floor. When I went and googled today, look! I found a lawsuit against lumber liquidators by their own stockholders. and yes, it has to do with excessive levels of formaldehyde http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/lumber-liquidator-shareholder-files-class-action/2013/11/30/343bc96e-59ec-11e3-bdbf-097ab2a3dc2b_story.html

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thank you for this post! I have a sample of Morning Star bamboo from LL that I love, was about to buy it today! My son has asthma and I would never want formaldehyde in my home. THANK YOU!

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I would like to speak to people adversely affected by the wood fumes. I work for a firm interested in representing victims. Please contact me at 917/301-0430 or at djc73pi@yahoo.com.

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    We installed 720 sf of the Morning Star Click bamboo flooring sold by Lumber Liquidators in June of 2013. The material finish scratches easy, however, the scratches are the least of our problems. The cupping started with the shorter pieces in the hallways. By December 2013, the entire installation was cupping and gaps appeared in random areas. When LLI was contacted about the defects, we were informed that the condition was not covered under their warranty.
    In reading the various reviews on independent sites for this product, it seems that there is a chronic problem with scratching, cupping and separations. Lumber Liquidators will use any excuse to avoid any liability for providing their customers with a very poor product.
    Our first mistake in selecting our new floor was believing that the reviews on the LLI site were unbiased reviews. The product reviews on the LLI website are "selected" reviews. Gee....I wonder who selects them. Our second mistake was actually purchasing this product.
    We will have to replace our six month old floor and it sure as heck will not be with a product supplied by Lumber Liquidators.
    We learned a $5,000.00 lesson the hard way… don’t make the same mistake.
    The LLI warranty should be condensed to read: “Warranty is void if material is removed from factory packaging”.
    STAY AWAY FROM LUMBER LIQUIDATORS!!!!!!!!!!

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Lumber Liquidators is the dollar store of retail flooring. I bought the Morning Star Bamboo and it's junk.
    One of the reasons I bought this floor is because they advertise it being "green"....how can it be green if it has formaldehyde in it and emits toxic chemicals in to the air you breathe! So what are they saying? It's good for the enviorment but it may give you Cancer? Would you want your children playing or crawling on this floor? My husband and I have both experienced sore & dry throats and it has a very distinct smell. We were fine before this floor was installed. When I questioned LL about this issue their comment was "you shouldn't be experiencing any problems "NOW" because it is almost a year" since it was installed. I guess it does't matter if the toxins initially got into my system and causing us problems! And another thing to keep in mind, there was no indication on the labeling or the box saying it was formaldehyde compliant. This is in gross violation of The Formaldehyde Standards Act for Composite Wood Products that was put into law by President Obama in 2010.

    After 2 months when this Morning Star Strand Bamboo was installed we started getting large gaps and separations that ran the whole perimeter of one wall. The installers came and repaired it and 3 months later it happened again. Called LL and they sent out one of "their " inspectors....what a joke this guy was. We went by all the guidelines, bought a humidifier, meter,....the works!
    Literally baby sat this floor.....which is totally ridiculous but we did it and this guy still found fault. I have come to the conclusion it really doesn't matter what you do because they will find a reason to blame you or the installer. They have a nice little racket going on. And their 30 warranty......doesn't mean diddley squat!
    That's even a bigger joke! All I can say is don't let their low prices fool you. If you buy from them and have a problem it will be the biggest headache of your life.
    Just read the reviews because they are telling you the truth....I know, because I was one of their victims. If you are reading this and decide not to buy their products then you are one of the lucky ones!

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    DON'T BUY BAMBOO FLOORING FROM RONA !!
    I bought the Bamboo Clik Flooring, installed about 50 boxes, about 800 sq ft. After over a year of off-gassing it still stinks - pungent odour. Rona will do nothing!! They say there is no MSDS sheet for this product. I wonder why!!!!
    Rona is pathetic!! I expected any odour would have been gone long ago but it has not disappeared. This product appears to be Very Toxic - Do Not Buy and do not expect any support from Rona after they have your money!!! Rona - in Canada.

  • 9 years ago

    We installed about 700 sq ft of the LL Morning Star bamboo. It did have an odor to it initially, but has subsided over time. No odor problem now.

  • 9 years ago

    We had Morning Star Bamboo installed approx 3 months ago and noticed the smell. My entire family has been complaining of burning eyes, headaches and I've had severe respiratory issues. I'm very worried about this floorings affect on my family. We can't afford to replace it or move out but it's obviously causing us health issues. At this point I don't know what to do but I'm 100% sure it's this flooring. The whole air quality in our home has changed for the worse since installing these floors!!!

  • 9 years ago

    Has anyone had Morningstar strand bamboo tested for formaldehyde levels? It's an expensive test, and I would like to know if it's been done before I spend the money. I live in California.


  • 9 years ago

    I have had Morning Star Bamboo flooring installed for a little over a year. What a mistake. Initially I noticed how easily the edges chipped. Now after a year I have noticed a substantial shrinkage of the whole floor. The joints were all tight when first installed but now there is 1/16 inch gap between all boards. No odor problem now but it was noticeable for a few months. I just had a formaldehyde test done and levels were .031 ppm after one year of off gassing. I do suspect that much higher levels of formaldehyde were present when the floor was first installed. My family had no noticeable ill effects from the off gassing but I can't say the same for my dog. My dog was just diagnosed with lymphoma. I can't prove that the formaldehyde gas was the cause but it is a strong possibility based on what I have read about the gases effects on people and animals..

  • 8 years ago

    Do not let Lumber Liquidators BS you! Morning Star Bamboo does give off Formaldehyde gases! I know because I have a house full of it. We started noticing our eyes burning and I was getting asthma attacks soon after we installed MS Flooring. Thought maybe it was allergies, then the dogs eyes started turning red and they were scratching all the time. I got suspicious and bought a formaldehyde monitor, acceptable is < 10 and as soon as I put it in the room, it went to 27! After I opened all the doors and windows it went down below 10. If you have any doubts, get yourself a monitor and test under differing conditions and in different rooms. Lumber Liquidators denies that the Bamboo flooring is an offender. I can not wait to see them in court, because after what we have been through, there will be no settlements!

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    In the meantime, you may want to put in some large wool rugs. It absorbs formaldehyde and renders it harmless.

  • 8 years ago

    Sign the petition to recall contaminated Chinese flooring. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/.../uscpc-recall-chinese.../

  • 8 years ago

    Yup, if you have LL stock, dump quick they are going down lol.

  • 8 years ago

    Holy crap! I just bought a condo and was going to install bamboo floors, but I'm having second thoughts, now.

  • 8 years ago

    About 2 weeks ago I installed stranded bamboo flooring (eco forest natural) from floor and decor. I am experiencing irritation of the eyes, nose and throat. I was wondering if anyone has used any bamboo floor from home and decor. I Can't find any reviews on this brand except one about poor quality. I am extremely concerned about my health and I won't be able to replace it anytime soon. Any information would help. Thanks.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    maciasvivians, Look up "Urea Formaldehyde" .....most likely, that is what is causing your health problems. Flooring made with urea formaldehyde can take up to 2 years to off gas and you will expierence the problems you mentioned. You can also look up what the CDC says and what you can do to alleviate some of the off gassing. Strand bamboo 90% of the time is made with a Urea formaldehyde resin.

  • 8 years ago

    Thank you NBQ14!

  • 8 years ago

    We have a problem and we don't know if it is in anyway connected to our bamboo flooring. We installed it with the construction of our house and since we moved in on Dec. 2012 we have this gradually increasing problem with our health. Admittedly we are an old couple but with very different and generally healthy background. The problem we both have is so unbelievable similar that can only be explained by some environmental issues. We get tired extremely quickly and all tests and follow up shows nothing wrong with our hearts, circulation or what have you. We have excellent diet always eat at home, plenty of vegetables and fruits, nuts and little red meat. Our weight is exactly where it SHOULD be ... but still we get tired quickly no matter what we do. We used to walk miles and miles every week (about 4 miles 4miles per day and have no idea what happened to us. I have developed a constant headache that our San Diego doctors have given up diagnosing and a recent visit to Mayo Clinic resulted in no diagnosis.HAS ANYONE EXPERIENCED THE SAME? Please let us know since medical profession has given up. If the bamboo is the problem we are willing to replace it; but we must be sure before going through the inconvenience and cost.

  • 8 years ago

    Ash Farhang, Are your symptoms just tiredness? Are you having any respiratory problems? Any irritation to your eyes nose or throat? If so, it could be from the formaldehyde in your flooring. Bamboo flooring is made with a "urea resin based glue" which contains formaldehyde. I bought my bamboo from Lumber Liquidators and it was off gassing formaldehyde at high levels. Both my husband and I were severely ill with bronchitis like symptoms. Not only could your flooring be off gassing but since this was a "new home" your cabinets, wall boards etc. could also add to the off gassing of formaldehyde. If you have this flooring in several rooms the formaldehyde levels could be very high. Lumber Liquidators have had many problems with their flooring...especially the ones manufactured in China. If I was you I would have an air test done and to be safe maybe have the floor tested also by an independent lab. It's not cheap but at least it will put your mind at ease. I would also mention this to your doctor. I removed my bamboo flooring and haven't had any symptoms since. Good luck to you!

  • 5 years ago
    Yes!!! Please write me back. I have all these symptoms from formaldehyde but they say the morning star bamboo did not have high levels. PLEASE!!!
  • 5 years ago

    I think it's only the laminate. Is that what you have? That's the bad stuff. The strand is what we have, and the issue with it is lifting and warping, but we haven't had that. or not too bad. There is a class action suit on the issue though. Not sure what is being done on the bad stuff. We had ours tested by an independent lab.

  • 4 years ago

    Does anyone happen to have an extra qing kobra or french roast bamboo flooring that they want to get rid of or sell?

  • 4 years ago

    @maciasviviana how did you end up with the eco forest bamboo? I had it installed yesterday and am having respiratory issues. Wondering if I air it out and open the windows it will get better.

  • 4 years ago

    gretchen, Is there a distinct odor? Sinuses burning? Or just hard breathing?

    If you had carpet previously it trapped the allergens and dust. Hard surface flooring does not. As you travel across the floor, you gate will stir up the allergens and dust, unlike carpet. I know around here, there is a bunch of cedar pollen in the air and people with hard surface flooring are having fits, with respiratory problems.

  • 4 years ago

    @ gretchen...Did you have issues with the bamboo acclimating in the house? How long was the bamboo acclimated in the home BEFORE it was installed?


    What type of installation? Floating (with glue on the edges)? Nail/cleat/staple? Glue down?


    Where was the cutting done? Were the HVAC vents taped off before/during the installation? If not, have you changed out the HVAC air filter?


    Was any other work done other than installing the flooring?

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    I'm adding to this thread because it seems like many folks who are posting comments here don't have a thorough background in the toxicity of a wide variety of home remodeling materials. Unless you buy your flooring (wood, bamboo, cork, etc.) from a well-known, long-running green housing material distributor, it is likely that your flooring is filled with toxic glues, sealers, and other chemicals that produce VOCs (volatile organic compounds). Bamboo in particular has a lot of glue because bamboo stalks are so thin (look at a bamboo cutting board to fully appreciate how much glue is needed). I have a MPH degree (Master of Public Health) and one of my areas of expertise is environmental health.

    I'm currently renovating a new condo apartment and for every material, I had to buy it from a specialty distributor that carefully vetted their product portfolio. The benefit of buying from green supply companies -- living in a healthy home. The challenge of purchasing green, healthy building materials -- cost. Green materials are more expensive. But, if you add up all the costs related to adverse health reactions and getting medical treatment to address them...then cheaper, less healthy building materials aren't so cheap, are they?

    A good place to start is Green Building Supply (based in Illinois, they have a great website), which ships all over the U.S. I bought cork flooring from them, they're great. Can't recommend them enough.

    They carry a wide array of building materials including safe paints, safe caulks and sealers, safe flooring, etc.

    If you want to get advice before a purchase, check out the website, 'My Chemical Free House.' Corinne is a building biologist and her site is filled with awesome tips for choosing safe and healthy building materials.

    Take good care & stay safe!

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