Engineered wood over hydronic heat - glue or float?
outwest_2007
16 years ago
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Solida glue down cork tiles over radiant heat?
Comments (3)My architect has been suggesting cork over radiant along with linoleum. But I don't know about the glue down application. (but how else is cork adhered?) Not to hijack, I hope, but, what part of the country are you guys in? I'm getting some resistance here from contractor on cost of radiant floor. (warm board, too). I'm in Phila area....See MoreFlooring OVER glue down engineered hardwood?
Comments (3)In "the olden days" ...preparing a strip wood floor for applying a finish floor over was something regularly done. This involved flattening the strip wood by sanding and then applying a sanding sealer (shellac). An asphalt saturated lining felt was glued to that and the finish flooring installed. We also used mineral fiber lining felt on occasion and in the recent past we used a cushioned lining material by Tarkett, which could be loose layed. Also 1/8" cork can be used in such an application. All these options provided a flat and secure substrate for new resilient flooring. It can been used successfully by a skilled flooring professional. In my opinion, sheet Marmoleum can be successfully installed by this double bond method, although you would need to check with Tarkett on that and find a certified installer....See MoreCan I glue down a floating engineered wood floor?
Comments (11)If these are Torlys engineered click together floors (with the HDF core) you are going to have concerns gluing down. Only if this is SOLID CORE hardwood engineered flooring can you look to glue down. The problem: HDF moves A LOT. It LOVES to expand and contract (as much as 1" over 25 linear feet....that's a LOT). The hardwood on top DOES NOT! If you glue down the HDF core product, you restrict a DYNAMIC plank. That plank will have problems. It will eventually rip itself away from the adhesive....the expansion forces will break the glue bond. And the glue is NOT grabbing the HDF....it is grabbing the CORK UNDERLAY. The cork underlay is the weakest part of the plank. Go ahead and pick at it with your nail. It crumbles after a few strokes. That's what the glue will be grabbing. It would only take one full "heating-cooling" cycle (winter-summer) for the bond to break. If you have installed floating floors with T-moldings before and "had no problems with it" then I suggest you keep going with that successful approach. Remember: "If it ain't broke; don't fix it," is something we all live by in the building industry....See MoreEngineered wood floors in a condo - What underlayment? Floating? Glue?
Comments (7)Oh dear. Noise abatement requirements with hard surface flooring over light weight concrete (aka "gypcrete"). And you only have enough room for 6mm worth of acoustic insulation. Hmmmm. You are getting into expensive territory. First check what is ALLOWED by the HOA/Condo board. They will have ratings that will tell you what you have to MEET or exceed with hard coverings. Secondly check to see if the acoustic glue underlayments will even grab gypcrete. Most things HATE gypcrete. I mean HATE. There are many high-quality glues that do NOT grab gypcrete. And the one's that do, can be nasty. But don't worry. Being in California means you can't purchase anything that violates CARB compliance - unless you order it over the internet (ahem...best to stick with brick and mortar point of purchase for stuff like this). And just for fun, not all wood floors can be floated and not all can be glued. And not all glues grab gypcrete...see where we are going here? And then there is the noise abatement that MUST be addressed BEFORE you go any further. Without those numbers, you are flying blind and so are we. In the cork industry, I NEVER got my 6mm cork underlay to pass a SoCal condo boards requirements. My customers ALWAYS had to go 12mm with a wood floor (of any kind). You can get some decent sound reduction with mass loaded vinyl. But it is expensive. It is very thin and very expensive. And vinyl does NOT like sitting underneath wood. But it depends on the mass loaded vinyl product. And QuietWalk Plus is a product that is relatively thin and yet has some of the same acoustic insulation as 12mm cork underlay. It will save you the height at least. It too is not cheap. https://www.mpglobalproducts.com/flooring-underlayment/products/quietwalk-plus/sound-rating/...See Moreoutwest_2007
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