Thank you for the links, I just bought some from kens link (30). I am tempted to do 100 for 100 that is a on of hostas, how do you handle that many? I have 500 hosta seeds planted indoors and another 600 showed up today, I expected low germination because I've never grown hosta from seed but we will see how they turn out. 12 are up from the first set of 50 I did. Question, what do you think will go good with hostas in my area? I was thinking ferns, I can get those for free if i dig them. maybe my hosta growing will inspire others in my neighborhood to grow some, and by then I might have a good amount of hosta babies for them to start off if a lot of my seeds germinate. I have a few more hosta questions, I am gonig to make a new thread to ask them

gonefishin, I should have provided a litte more information. Haha... I don't want to hijack this thread...but maybe people making these cages will also be interested in spacing too! This is my first summer to have my garden up and running. So I can't speak from any experience, but I hope that my soil and setup will work out very well. It should be very fertile soil. Here is my setup: Raised garden bed: 20 feet long x 40 inches wide x 16 inches deep (made with split-face cinderblocks 2 high). Soil: I made my own with some inspiration from Mel's mix and SFG. Here is my mix... 1/12 part vermiculite. 1/6 part Soil Pep (Mostly decomposed bark/wood chips). 1/6 part compost from landfill (made from trees, bark, grass clippings, various greens composted for 1 year+). 1/4 part Nutri-Mulch (Turkey manure composted with wood chips). 1/3 part Peat Moss. I actually took the time to mix all of the above with a cement mixer before filling my raised bed with it. So it is well mixed and hopefully provide a lot of nutrients. Drainage should be great as well as water retention. I tilled the soil under my beds (silty-clay loam) before adding my soil. Climate, I live in UTAH near SLC. We are very dry here and pretty warm in the summer (90's usually). I wonder if I should consider one of korney19's triangle cages. If those are 10 feet total then I assume they are a little over 3 feet per side. That would fit about perfectly in my 40 inch space... Thanks again for any help. And sorry to hijack this thread with some of my questions slightly off-topic! (Although hopefully helpful to others as well)

in our area, AB Canada it is similar, anything atached to the walls such as shelves, curtain rods, coat hooks, picture hangers etc are to stay unless specified. I take all my wooden shelves & wall mounted coat rack made by my FIL and be sure to state them in the contract. It is frustrating to buy a house expecting the shelves in storage that are attached ot the walls only to find them taken down and holes left. when I take my shelves i repair all holes and touch up paint, the same as i do for the picture hangers. the little bit of paint it takes to cover a small hole filled with wall patch is easy and so very courteous I feel. custom curtain rods can be excluded as stated but will they work in new home? i took one set form last place and never used so this time I am leaving all window treatments which technically includes hardware and blinds but the curtains work with this place. Even if i wanted to change the curtains on a new move in, it was nice to have some left so you can have some privacy and light filtering while getting settled. as for island stools, they are clearly moveable and if you can use them in new home, take them. I did at one place request the island stools in the offer and the seller was more than willing to leave them. but on that note, i agree, do not leave anything the buyers have not requested other than manuals, carpet remnants, spare tiles and touch up paint in small quantities.

Raro: &_& [Wikipedia tells me that's an emoticon for rolling eyes, but I'm not convinced....]. I stuck that faucet that way to get it out of the way of the picture...! But you knew that... :) wolfgang, no - upper cabs go straight up to to the 96" ceilings. Breezy dear: No Way! Now I've been feeling guilty all day about your feeling badly about... etc. I absolutely asked you for your opinion; I asked everyone for their opinion. And I am hearing, from almost everyone, an opinion that's different from mine. But that's exactly why I asked for it?! I definitely may still do my plan even in the face of so many people saying that's not their preference. I haven't actually heard anyone, I think, saying 'that will be a major mistake'. I've heard 'not what I would do' and 'YMMV' and I've heard a host of interesting rationalizations for their reasonings, which are very helpful. e.g., fossils want big surface area; busy here already, go light on the distracting grout, etc. For whatever reason, this particular decision is not eating me up as many other ones have. The faucet one, for example, rendered me practically suicidal; this one just not so much. For some reason I feel a fairly anchored vision in my minds' eye ... and it happens to be rather different from others'. And so that's all the more reason that I really, really do want to hear others' dissenting opinions, and their reasons for it. I deeply appreciate your - and others' - willingness to think about this matter that really only affects me in the end, not them -- I appreciate the willingness to conjure up and express an opinion. I wouldn't triffle with your time by asking for one and not valuing it and appreciating the effort. That said, it's possible I may still not do what you suggest! But it won't be because I haven't hung on your words and your reasoning. I know you know what you "would' say, but I don't. So even though it feels like you're repeating yourself ad nauseum, that's not my perspective -- so I appreciate you repeating yourself as well. OK ... anyone want to know where my reasoning's at? [blanketing silence...]. I'm still thinking of going with the 4" high tile, that after having gone the ringer through a mockup of doing it the whole way. The 4" is dictated by the height of the window behind the sink. And, btw, it does look different at standing-height than the vantage of the camera, which is way up in the air in order to minimize glare on the stone... I agree there's no obvious place to stop the backsplash; lots of different natural heights. So ... you could say go up to the cabinets. But that's too fish-bowly I think. Also, I think it's competing with the countertop. The RFG is the star of the show; it just is. If I want to show off those lovely limestone fossils, then they have to go play in their own arena, say in the bathroom. The kitchen's the RFG's. So putting up the bs all the way to the upper cabinets will be jockeying for attention too much. Protection-wise, I want something there to keep drips from the backs of the cabinets, but 4" will do that. Wall-protection wise, I think there's sufficient this way where it matters. sink's too far to matter and there's no more space than 4" behind it anyway. Baking center will get 4"+6" = 10" already. Side of stove, not all that splattery. Back of stove, however: yes. very splattery. And that will be tiled the full way. All that said, we're not really even talking very much acreage additionally, so ... that's where I was at before when I thought oh WTH, just do it all ... and _sigh_ I may at that yet. But I'm worried about competing. I like the look of the photos someone posted of the traditional kitchens that have just minimal backsplash back there. That must be where my mind's eye vision is stuck; I like that. And since my ideal kitchen is a made-over barn with one long table in the center and an old dairy sink in the middle, well, maybe that's some of my inspiration as well. OK, so that's where I'm at ... this minute. Next, different. And let me repeat, because everyone seems to think differently I'm listening, still, closely to all the calls that say to-the-cabs. I may toss this one to dh. Dunno. But please, don't stop posting just because you happen to have some opinion that's different from mine. Or anyone else's for that matter....