I have found it very difficult to do a self cross and sib takes for me are rare. I used to attempt both but don't waste my time on them anymore. My results turned out like my dad said they would - 'a race of idiots.' Really, most of them produced grassy type foliage with flowers on spindly stalks. I was pleasantly surprised with the growth and bloom on Ring Around Rosie. She has wide foliage and is a sensible grower. Rick introduced quite a number from that cross so it turned out to be a good one for him. I do mix up grandkids and cousins though. Thinking back, weren't Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt cousins? Walter Moores

Hello I have tried the Igia Elctro Sage 8 and they dont know any more about the product than the people at AbEnergizer. There video you can buy for free but you pay the shipping. What a joke that is. I have emailed customer service at AbEnergizer. Here are some of the questions I emailed them. Of course I never really got the information I wanted. Q: What would the reason be to use 3 to 4 AbEnergizer units as opposed to 1-2 units. What are the benefits to it? If I ordered these two units how much extra for shipping and handling. Ans: It will of course generate increased stimulation, thus providing a more intense experience, hence its designation of advanced. Q: What is the part number (battery number/model) for the (3) 3 volt Lithium Batteries. I called the battery store and they said they range from $2.99 and up. Ans: I am not aware of the part number. I am sure they vary with manufacturer. Q: I asked if I had to replace any parts on this product and you told me no but did mention that I am entitled to two free replacement belts. Please tell me a little about that. (They gave me the wrong phone number so I had to email them back to get it, Goog luck trying to get through to Customer service) Ans: For further information regarding belts, please contact 1-866-517-ABS I recently had back surgury so I am game for just about anything if it will help relieve the pain. I figure the most I loose is shipping from and to so I guess that isn't to bad. The bigest problem I see for me is that the batteries used are 3 3 volt lithium batteries. It would of been a lot cheaper just to use a 9 volt battery. If you don't have a lot of money like me you can go broke just buying batteries. I did find a web site that explains about how long the batteries will last and some common questions. Here is the link http://www.energize-abs.com/main.htm There website is still under construction. www.abenergizer.com and doesn't really explain anything more than what the info commercial does. I will probbaly order this just to see if it will help with my back pain. I was originally going to buy the Abtronic belt but I like the design and look of the AbEnergizer better. Well good luck. Michael

This is a repost: I've had my Abenergizer for about a month and it appears to be working as advertized. Yes, it is a little difficult to secure sometimes, but I attribute that to my gut more than to any flaw with the product. The reason I think it is working is that I have gone to the gym regularly for years and I always do crunches. They never appear to yield any results. But after using the Abenergizer for less than a month I already notice that my abs are stronger when I do my thing in the gym. It also works to relieve pain in my lower back. Those of you who don't like the Abenergizer, are you also exercising? If not, don't blame the product. Besides, what do you expect for $60 bucks?

This is what I found in internet. Please read this before you order this ab energizer... Good Luck! Good Morning America's consumer correspondent Greg Hunter found that the machines can cause minor skin burns. Experts told him that anyone who thinks that the devices alone will turn them into Mr. Universe is mistaken. The gadgets are based on electronic muscle stimulation, or EMS, a system that delivers an electric charge to make muscles contract. John Porcari, a professor of exercise and sports science at the University of Wisconsin, tested an EMS device similar to those on the market in a study commissioned by the American Council on Exercise. After eight weeks of using the device only, participants had no significant increases in muscle size or strength. "I think people are wasting their time," Porcari said. "I think they're better off spending their money on a personal trainer or buying a membership to a health club, or buying a home piece of exercise equipment that they're going to use." AbTronic declined any comment under advice of their attorney. Ab-Energizer also declined comment, and Fast-Abs did not return phone calls or e-mails sent by Good Morning America. Want Flat Abs? Order Now The Fast-Abs ad claims the technology makes it easy: "It's like our engineer shrunk half a gym of bulky, expensive exercise equipment into a little electronic miracle the size of a pack of matches." Victoria Delaney, a San Francisco Bay area woman who saw the AbTronic infomerical, was intrigued by the thought of achieving amazing abs just like the young woman in the commercial. "That's what I thought I was going to get," Delaney told Hunter, pointing to the buff young woman's flat stomach. After seeing the ad, she immediately reached for her telephone and credit card and ordered an AbTronic. Delaney thought the device would let her get trim while sitting around and reading a book or watching TV. "Sure, I thought it would be easy," Delaney said. Company Warns of Skin Burning Reports Delaney said she used her AbTronic religiously for three days, but then she said she had to stop because it gave her a number of minor but painful burns on her arms, stomach, both legs and her back, making it difficult to sit. When she looked at the instruction booklet later, Delaney discovered that the company warned that "skin irritation and burns ... have been reported." Though Delaney does not have any permanent injuries, her pride is a little scarred, and she feels nae for being taken, she said. But it is easy to see why people like Delaney might be drawn to the devices. Not only does the AbTronic infomercial show seemingly perfect men and women using it, the commercials claim that a University of Maryland study backs up products like theirs. "Their conclusion was that an electronic stimulation was much better than exercise alone, whether you use it as a supplement to your normal workout, or just by itself," a female co-host of the infomercial says. "That proves that you get better results by the use of the AbTronic fitness system," the male co-host chimes in. Machine Can't Do It Alone The University of Maryland scientist who conducted the study, Dr. Gad Alon, published an article about electronic muscle stimulation in 1987. He said that he believes high-quality EMS devices can strengthen the abdominal muscles, but that the AbTronic infomercial took his findings out of context. "In fact, we have used electrical stimulation on abdominal strengthening in a number of studies," he said. "And that particular one [AbTronic] does not look at all like the type of strengthening we do with electrical stimulation." Porcari acknowledges that medically approved EMS devices can play a useful role in rehabilitative medicine. But he says consumers can't comfortably get strong enough contractions from these infomerical devices to build "awesome abs" without real exercise. "To get the benefits, you have to make your muscles contract to a certain level, and that requires you to be able to withstand a lot of pain," he said. Dr. Julio Garcia, a Las Vegas plastic surgeon, appeared in the AbTronic infomercial touting the device. "The nice thing about the AbTronic system is you don't have to go to a gymnasium, where you have to do weight-lifting exercises, where we may have some other medical problems that prevent from doing that - whether it's high blood pressure or bad joints," Garcia says in the infomercial. Garcia told Hunter that although EMS. can help maintain muscle tone, it will not help people lose weight. He also said that the AbTronic commercial took some of his words out of context, and that the machine alone cannot help a person lose weight, lose inches and gain muscle definition. "It was my intent to talk about many things together - diet, exercise, and the machine," Garcia said. "It has apparently been portrayed as just a machine itself. And that's not what I was there to talk about." Delaney says she spent $150 on the AbTronic, and chalks it up to one of life's lessons that she hopes others can learn from. Her advice to anyone lured by the ab machine commercials is simple "Don't buy it," she said.