This is what I found in internet. Please read this before you order this ab energizer... Good Luck! Good Morning America's consumer correspondent Greg Hunter found that the machines can cause minor skin burns. Experts told him that anyone who thinks that the devices alone will turn them into Mr. Universe is mistaken. The gadgets are based on electronic muscle stimulation, or EMS, a system that delivers an electric charge to make muscles contract. John Porcari, a professor of exercise and sports science at the University of Wisconsin, tested an EMS device similar to those on the market in a study commissioned by the American Council on Exercise. After eight weeks of using the device only, participants had no significant increases in muscle size or strength. "I think people are wasting their time," Porcari said. "I think they're better off spending their money on a personal trainer or buying a membership to a health club, or buying a home piece of exercise equipment that they're going to use." AbTronic declined any comment under advice of their attorney. Ab-Energizer also declined comment, and Fast-Abs did not return phone calls or e-mails sent by Good Morning America. Want Flat Abs? Order Now The Fast-Abs ad claims the technology makes it easy: "It's like our engineer shrunk half a gym of bulky, expensive exercise equipment into a little electronic miracle the size of a pack of matches." Victoria Delaney, a San Francisco Bay area woman who saw the AbTronic infomerical, was intrigued by the thought of achieving amazing abs just like the young woman in the commercial. "That's what I thought I was going to get," Delaney told Hunter, pointing to the buff young woman's flat stomach. After seeing the ad, she immediately reached for her telephone and credit card and ordered an AbTronic. Delaney thought the device would let her get trim while sitting around and reading a book or watching TV. "Sure, I thought it would be easy," Delaney said. Company Warns of Skin Burning Reports Delaney said she used her AbTronic religiously for three days, but then she said she had to stop because it gave her a number of minor but painful burns on her arms, stomach, both legs and her back, making it difficult to sit. When she looked at the instruction booklet later, Delaney discovered that the company warned that "skin irritation and burns ... have been reported." Though Delaney does not have any permanent injuries, her pride is a little scarred, and she feels nae for being taken, she said. But it is easy to see why people like Delaney might be drawn to the devices. Not only does the AbTronic infomercial show seemingly perfect men and women using it, the commercials claim that a University of Maryland study backs up products like theirs. "Their conclusion was that an electronic stimulation was much better than exercise alone, whether you use it as a supplement to your normal workout, or just by itself," a female co-host of the infomercial says. "That proves that you get better results by the use of the AbTronic fitness system," the male co-host chimes in. Machine Can't Do It Alone The University of Maryland scientist who conducted the study, Dr. Gad Alon, published an article about electronic muscle stimulation in 1987. He said that he believes high-quality EMS devices can strengthen the abdominal muscles, but that the AbTronic infomercial took his findings out of context. "In fact, we have used electrical stimulation on abdominal strengthening in a number of studies," he said. "And that particular one [AbTronic] does not look at all like the type of strengthening we do with electrical stimulation." Porcari acknowledges that medically approved EMS devices can play a useful role in rehabilitative medicine. But he says consumers can't comfortably get strong enough contractions from these infomerical devices to build "awesome abs" without real exercise. "To get the benefits, you have to make your muscles contract to a certain level, and that requires you to be able to withstand a lot of pain," he said. Dr. Julio Garcia, a Las Vegas plastic surgeon, appeared in the AbTronic infomercial touting the device. "The nice thing about the AbTronic system is you don't have to go to a gymnasium, where you have to do weight-lifting exercises, where we may have some other medical problems that prevent from doing that - whether it's high blood pressure or bad joints," Garcia says in the infomercial. Garcia told Hunter that although EMS. can help maintain muscle tone, it will not help people lose weight. He also said that the AbTronic commercial took some of his words out of context, and that the machine alone cannot help a person lose weight, lose inches and gain muscle definition. "It was my intent to talk about many things together - diet, exercise, and the machine," Garcia said. "It has apparently been portrayed as just a machine itself. And that's not what I was there to talk about." Delaney says she spent $150 on the AbTronic, and chalks it up to one of life's lessons that she hopes others can learn from. Her advice to anyone lured by the ab machine commercials is simple "Don't buy it," she said.

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Dave, I know that some multi-generation hybrids have lost the three leaf "tri". I imagine that this probably still has the three leaflet presentation, but was curious to see the leaf structure of what is a first gen hybrid (I'm assuming just a normal trifolate leaf).

I have a pre-production unit. It is the best kitchen appliance I have ever used. Extraordinarily powerful and perfect precision. I have cooked with a Breville Control Freak many times (the only other competent temp-controlled cooktop), but this blows it out of the water. It's an incredibly simple interface and it "just works". It will change the way you think about cooking both in terms of speed and precision. Set your garlic to saute and go take a walk -- it will never burn. Put some water in a kettle and it will be boiling before you have your mug ready. Truly game-changing stuff. The only risk is their start-up nature, but if you read the press releases you can see they are making smart moves (partnering, getting Zephyer distribution) and not dumb moves (adding a ton of SKUs too early).