Electrolux or Miele double wall oven? Is there really a differenc

14 years ago

Is there a noticable difference between the results of a Miele or Electrolux wall oven? We are planning for a Wolf range, a Miele refrigerator and steam oven, a Miele dishwasher but we just can't see the benefit of the different wall ovens--just about twice as much???????????? What is the tangible difference in these ovens? Thanks for your help.

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rhome410

14 years ago

I have gone on the oven hunt twice in the last 3 years, so have researched, looked at, and followed (track records, complaints, etc.) a lot of ovens. Miele customer service and attention to detail/quality control is 2nd to none, according to all I've read, the owners I've communicated with, and what I've seen and experienced compared to Miele owners. I can't say I have one and know from experience, but sure wish I could've stretched my budget to buy a Miele oven. My sister, who has made desserts for restaurants and wedding cakes, does have one, and she's very happy.

Besides the MasterChef, the Miele offers some really good cooking modes and features that I know I would use. (I wouldn't likely use the MasterChef that much, so it's not a draw for me.)

I have read complaints here about the Electrolux porcelain chipping and flaking, which is an experience I fought with 2 Fisher and Paykel ovens and wouldn't want to repeat. I've never heard a problem with Miele in that regard. I would especially like their PerfectClean interior and not mess with any more self-clean that seems to cause electronic and porcelain problems in a lot of ovens.

When I considered the Electrolux recently, I found the interior to be shallower than some of the other ovens out there, but I'm not sure how it compares to Miele. I do know that at Thanksgiving, my sister fit an amazing amount of food/number of dishes in her Miele...It was like the clowns getting out of a VW at the circus. :-)

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genie73
14 years ago
I was looking into the same thing but I don't have either one, yet. I know the Miele masterchef series has an awesome rotisserie. I'm sure it bakes a little more evenly and has more programmable features. Having said that, I think the Electrolux is an super great value and I've heard nothing but good things about the Electrolux ovens on this forum.

Good luck
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mindstorm
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Miele ovens themselves are top-notch. No questions about it.

Rhome is correct, I also found that the Electrolux were fairly shallow.

Lastly, a couple of additions to Rhome's post:
- Miele is no longer making the PerfectClean interior. If you stumble on a dealer that has them in hand you may be able to purchase them from them but otherwise, Miele isn't making and will be no help in finding you one. (I know this from first hand experience in this past year).
- Miele customer service USED to be brilliant and second to none. I can unequivocally state based on my own frustrating experience exploring for an oven recently that it is no longer brilliant. I even recruited another poster here who has nothing but accolades to give about her prior Miele experiences to help me deconstruct the wierd convoluted circular-logic that the Miele reps gave out to me one after another. I gave up and ultimately found joy with another company.
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wekick
14 years ago
I love my Electrolux oven. It had the flaking of the blue enamel, but Electrolux immediately replaced it. The dealer service dept due to one person was slow and once I got someone else to deal with it was replaced quickly. I don't have any problems getting any of my pans in the oven. If I wanted the rotisserie though I would get the Miele. I do like the self clean too. I've had gas ovens in the past that didn't have it. I haven't found anything I can't make the Electrolux do. I had self clean on my last oven with electronic boards and had no problems(Maytag Gemini) I don't think you can go wrong with either oven.
cesaly
14 years ago
From my research, I agree with rhome410.
59 Dodge
14 years ago
Yes , there Really is a Difference!!!!! but please reseach farther than just reading the "Miele Melodies" here!!!!
Retrevo, for example, look for who has the most 4 or 5 stars out of 5????? Miele?? Nope , not even close!!
Look to see who gets 1 or 2 stars out of 5?? Electrolux??
Nope, wrong again Miele wins, Hands Down. Do the same with Buzillions or pick any similar site you like Same story. Many of the low ratings for the Miele were due to the difficult (some users said "Impossible") task of cleaning it! So now you know why the "Perfectly Clean" oven is no longer offered----how many would they sell if the confessed and name it "Perfectly Grimey"? Ya I know you folks with those Miele ovens have never had "that kind of problem". This is a great site for gathering info on your pending purchases, but please don't make it you only source of Info----You will run into "Biases Here".
As far as Electrolux Flaking, I believe we saw 3 cases of that. We have had ours since 2006 and no flaking. Love the way it looks, inside and out, How well it is lit inside, and of course the fully glide out racks--sure made that 20lb turkey easier to handle Thanksgiving.
Sooooo to sume up, yes there is a difference, check the resources along with others in my post, also you will like your own "Personal Resources", money still in bank, a "LOT" more after buying the Electrolux, than you will the Miele!!!!

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country_smile
14 years ago
During my kitchen renovation I went to my friends' house MANY times to use her Electrolux to bake. I didn't do anything fancy in it - just convection baking of cookies and baked oatmeal. I didn't have any problems baking 3 trays of cookies at a time and the shelves that glide out so easily were handy.

I've been baking in my Miele oven since June. It consistently bakes cookies, cakes, pies, etc evenly. Before using the Miele, I didn't think there was much difference between ovens, but I've changed my mind. My 2nd wall oven is a KitchenAid, and although it does a nice job, it doesn't compare to the Miele.

What is the price difference between Miele and Electrolux? Would you use the rotisserie or the other program modes? I'm not sure what extra programs the Miele has that the Electrolux doesn't, but if you're not planning on using them, I think the Electrolux would be fine.
If you live close to one of Miele showrooms, you can go to a MasterChef demonstration or a Product Cooking Presentation. It might be helpful in your decision.

I've had no problem with Customer Service. We bought our Miele oven and vent off the showroom floor (with great discounts). They started the 2-yr. warranty the day they were installed. I've dealt with customer service twice (something minor) and they were quick to respond both times. But, the reason for that may be that we need to call Miele first because it is under warranty, but then Miele calls the appliance store where we bought the appliances and the store sends one of their Miele repairmen. (A strong argument for buying from a reputable appliance dealership.)

We were kind of locked into buying the Miele oven because we wanted an oven under our Miele induction cooktop and (of course) Miele would only recommend their own oven under the cooktop. (Probably for warranty purposes.) If we experience any problems with the Kitchenaid, and depending how much I think I'll be using a 2nd oven at that time, we'll most likely look for a Miele to replace it, especially if we can find another floor model for sale. IF the price difference were too big, I would definitely consider an Electrolux.

Good luck on your search.

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meg_ma
14 years ago
We purchased the Electrolux double wall oven and are very happy. Both the bread proof and warming settings have worked well (as well as regular baking). The gliding racks are wonderful as is the self cleaning mode. We haven't had the blue flaking issue. Have fun baking with which ever one you choose!
genie73
14 years ago
Country_Smile, you said you have the Kitchen Aid as your 2nd oven and have experience baking on an Electrolux. Which of those two would you pick?

I'm getting a 36" Wolf range as my 1st oven and probably going to end up with the 27" KA due to looks but really wanted the Electrolux. What do you think?
wekick
14 years ago
I have the 36 inch Wolf and Electrolux wall oven. I baked 10 doz big chipped chocolate cookies using a 1/3 c scoop in the Electrolux and everything came out great. I use it most of the time because it is smaller and quicker to heat up than the Wolf by quite a bit(Electrolux heats up in 7-10 min as opposed to 30 min to heat up the Wolf and uses less energy. It does not heat the kitchen up as much in the summer. It is also eye level. I bought strictly for what I wanted in function and really did not consider what it would look like but it looks fine to me. My frig is a KA and DW is a Bosch, so none of my appliances are by the same maker. My point is that you may use your "second" oven more than your "first".
country_smile
14 years ago
genie - If I were to choose between KA and Electrolux, not considering any other factors such as how it looks, price, etc., I'd choose Electrolux. The reason I have a KA instead of an Electrolux is because we bought all our appliances at the same store and they didn't sell Electrolux. I've read so many threads about some of the older KA ovens having problems after running the self-clean that I don't know if I'll ever use that feature. However, it's possible that those problems have been corrected by now. I probably should have just "bit the bullet" and sprung for a 2nd Miele.

I enjoyed using my friend's Electrolux, but I failed to mention above that it was a range. Not sure if that makes a difference or not. She's only had it a year and so far has not had any problem with the interior flaking, but she uses it very lightly.

wekick's response was interesting, especially regarding how long it takes to warm up the Wolf (one reason why I nixed the idea of a 36" oven). If you're planning on using the 2nd oven more often, then get the best one you can afford. You won't regret it even though it may hurt the wallet in the beginning. :)
genie73
14 years ago
Would you say the Kitchen Aid bakes evenly?

The regular Electrolux has a handle that will dent in my fridge door due to it's position in my kitchen so I wanted the Electrolux Icon wall oven since it has curved handles but they don't make it in a 27" version (that REALLY sucks). Therefore I'm stuck with Kitchen Aid or Dacor but the Dacor would cost $1600 Cdn more which I can't really justify since they are basically the same. Miele would be $2600 more.

Thanks for the advice
country_smile
14 years ago
genie - In short, yes, the KA bakes evenly. I can tell the Miele is more precise, but if you're already going to have a Wolf 36", I think the 27" KA for a 2nd oven will perform well. What type of baking do you generally do? Do you bake many pastries or mostly roasts and meats/vegetables?

I used both ovens for a cookie baking party on Dec. 12th and both ovens did a nice job.
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ourfamily6: Did you buy an electrolux wall oven or other? Review?
What advice do folks have re electrolux vs other brands' cooktops and dishwashers?

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