Because the fence will restrict air flow, you need 9 sq ft for each of the hyb teas, 12 for the floribunda. That adds up to 52 sq ft. throw in 4 or five feet for the shade from the tree over the next few years. With a 60 sq ft bed (6x10), you are out of room. I'm can't say I've ever met a true gardener that didn't need more space.

Outsmarting the tree rats (squirrels) around my house is a full time job. This past spring I hit on a new idea. When I plant a container I invert an empty wire hanging basket over the container and the plant gets sun and can be watered but the squirrels can't dig in it. Another idea: I bring in a lot of plants to "over winter" under lights in my garage. I have so many that it is hard to reach my hand under the lights (4 shop lights) to the middle for watering. So I bought a pump sprayer with a long wand and it works great! In late winter I add a little liquid Dawn detergent, few drops, to each gallon of water and not only does the soil get wet easier but the worms that are waiting to hatch into distructive pets just don't hatch. Don't know what it costs me to run those four shop lights all winter but I don't care. It is a small price to pay to be able to "garden" every weekend in the garage. Many people have mentioned that they mark their outdoor plants with a "permanent Sharpie". In my experience there isn't a "permanent Sharpie", they all fade and quickly too. A grease pencil/china marker or expensive "no fade" garden center marker are the only markers I have found that won't disappoint you by fading. Eight years ago I decided to learn about gardening so I tapped into my local library. I checked out nearly every book they had on gardening and learned so much. The Gardenweb forums are also a wealth of information and entertainment. There is always something new to learn and I appreciate all of you who take the time to write in your ideas. One last idea from me...I keep a small notebook on my computer table and jot down any idea I find that's new and I will want to try. Little pieces of paper get lost but I always know where my notebook is and also use it when I order "on line" so I will remember the name of the company and the order date. Tina or Trowelgal

Andy, your beans are still NOT there? They should be. I put them in the PO mailbox last Saturday. Even if they did not pick it up until after the weekend and the holiday (Tuesday), I would think that you still should of had them by now. Although the mail has been messed up here on the East Coast because of all the snow storms. Maybe that is it. I had emailed Sandhill because I never got their catalog yet this year and usually I have an order in to them by now. I did finally get the magazine 2 days ago, but they wrote me back saying that they sent it out all the way on the 7th of January, and that they had other people from the East inquiring about where their magazine was too. So, I hope that is it. Donna, hers was sent out the same day as yours Andy, and she got her seeds, however she is right on the East Coast like me so that could be why. Angelady, did you get yours? yours should of been to you also since it was in a priority mailer box. Well Andy, I would not worry yet. Just please let me know asap when you get them so I do not start to worry! I would think Monday they would have to be there after all of this time? Shucks, I was hoping to see you post that you received them. Also Andy, incase I forgot to write it in your envie, I have some greasy beans coming to me at some point. When they get here, I will be sure to send you some. I was able to find one to put in your envelope though. Christy

The instructions below will show you how to add a photo within any message box on GardenWeb and on our forum, Gardening In Arizona. Adding A Photo Within A Message Box You first need to upload your photos to the Internet using your own personal website or using a free/paying photo storage site. Several sites are Shutterfly and Webshots. There are many image hosting sites on the web. Follow the uploading instructions provided for the particular image hosting website. Some services do not allow displaying images stored on their site on other pages (like GardenWeb posts), some charge an annual fee, and most limit the amount of images stored, so be sure you choose a service that fits your needs. Image hosting sites mentioned are examples of possible options, and not endorsed or recommended by GardenWeb. » Make sure your files end with .jpg or .gif. Try not to make your photos really large. 500 pixels x 500 pixels or 4" x 4" is a good size. » Next, type within your message the HTML below replacing "file location and photo name" with your photo URL address. <img src=“ file location and photo name”> » Next, go to Review Message and see if your photo shows up. If not - it may be a typo or you left off some quotes. You can copy and paste photo URL address so you don't mistype. You can get the photo URLs from a photo by Right-Clicking on the image and selecting Properties to show the image address. Select the entire URL (including the second line if necessary), then select Ctrl C to copy it to the Windows clipboard for the moment. Cancel the properties window. Switch back to the message form and "Ctrl V" to paste the URL into your message box. » Now Review Message again and see if your photo shows. If so -- submit the message. Adding a photo using the Link method. » If you are posting a NEW post, the link will be on the Review Message page. After you type in your message, click Review Message and scroll down. You will see a place to add a link. Copy and paste any link from the Internet or photo URL address into the top space. Then type in the Name of the link below it. If you are replying to an existing message the link box will be below the message box on the same page -- then just follow the instructions above to add a link. » Hit Review Message and make sure the link shows. You can also check the link to see it it works, then use the BACK key to get back to your post -- if its okay -- hit submit message. Hope these instructions are helpful. Please try them and if you still have problems, let us know on the forum. Have fun!