I don't know if this applies to your situation, but my cabinet maker waited until the cabinets and dishwasher were installed to measure for the panels. That allowed for a really good fit with tight clearances between doors on neighboring cabinets. If you have full overlay (or inset, I suspect), that might be the best way to get a good fit.

My dishwasher (Fisher & Paykel) also gave instructions for a range of panel sizes instead of one size. I think the Bosch is supposed to be totally integrated, like the F&P, so that's why they give such vague instructions.

Thanks so much for the reply, fori. I was beginning to suspect it must be something like that.

I am doing full overlay, but the Home Depot Kraftmaid route. So I am not sure if they can get the glazed finish to match up if I order the D/W panel after all the other cabinets - a question I will have to ask asap!

From what I've read about Kraftmaid, they're pretty good about redoing doors and stuff that don't match--I'm sure there are plenty of the kitchen forum who can let you know how repeatable the glazes are.

It IS a pain in the rear to get your DW panel late, but it really makes for a hidden dishwasher and if you're putting on panels, might as well go all the way and hide it!

You definitely have a point - it would sure look awful if the panels didn't line up.

I will say, I just checked out the Miele built-in and they actually have intelligent panel instructions like the KitchenAid. Too bad it is so expensive.

you should order a loose door for a 24" base cabinet. Just verify that the factory size is within the Bosch range - be really surprised if it's not and if it is this install will likely be beyond the talent of the folks you're dealing with anyway.

They install with 2 tabs, 2 blocks and 2 screws. There is a cartoon in the PDF section of the website for models that get panels. No one downloaded this yet ?

That's a good idea - look at the dimensions of a 24" cabinet door only, thanks.

And yup I downloaded the cartoon, and I'm sorry but cartoon it was to me. It showed variable dimensions with no explanation or even a chart, and I haven't yet figured out how to order a cabinet panel from 23 1/8" - 23 3/8" wide & 27 3/4" - 30 1/2" tall - must be a really stretchy kind of wood :)

I'm just sayin', the other manufacturers sure did it better. I wouldn't be having a question. But then I am a newbie at all this. Actually I think with Miele's info, your loose cabinet door suggestion and the cartoon, I can make a pretty good stab at this. Or just wait as Fori suggested.

Kathy - seems you asked two questions:

1. How to size a panel for the Bosch DW

2. Instructions for Installing on their website.

The cartoon is for INSTALLING. The panel sizing info is for a double check for you , your designer, your cabinet maker to reference when sizing a panel for YOUR kitchen. Everyone is different and the "standard" size falls WITHIN the range given. While it'd be nice and easy for Bosch to tell you to make the panel "x" size , you 'd be miffed and out a few hundred bucks if that size turned out to be 23 1/8" x 26 1/2" tall which would fit cabinetry made by SieMatic beautifully but would be way too small for your application because you'll install yours at 24" instead of 60 cm and you have 4" toekick instead of 8". Getting cabinetry from one of the Italian manuf? Then you'll likely have 6" toekick and an entirelly different size will be needed or the DW won't open to allow you to put in dishes.

Your size is determined by your cabinet maker's 24" door size. You order that loose, without hardware drillings and you look at the installiation cartoon and install the panel. This is not really the venue for learnig how to do integratred appliances. It's a great forum for double checking, or a test ballon but getting the detailed mechanics of an appliance install is best done face to face.

Where is your kitchen designer and installer in all of this? If they haven't done this and you still want to pursue it you need to get them invoved early in the project , not on the day the DW needs to go in the hole.

To re-cap:

Instructions are on Bosch's site.

DW panel size is determined by the cabinet manuf. system sizing.

Install should not be left to chance.

kathy everyone is entitled to their opinion

Instead of complaining why don't you vote with your wallet and get one of the others that are better?

Re: fwiw - it's not worth squat.

Your 2 gurus have to agree with you since they are robotrons that are poorly programed. They obviously have no experience with this and are ALSO too inept to figure it out and aren't savy enough to enlist help from colleagues. They have left you to do the heavy lifting and are patting you on the back when the game gets hard.

They can't ask their senior or head district designer about this? There's no one at their corporate office in Atlanta either? Can't call the tech department at Kraftmaid? Bosch?

It's not rocket science and Ive already teed it up for you all you have to do is swing. You seem to just to want complain about some corporate shortcomming because they aren't like company X.

My cabinet guy said to order the DW first. He then came and measured and created a panel to match. My cabinets did not come with a panel, so he ordered two doors and a fake drawer with a pull. Here's a photo. The DW is on the left.

Thanks scrapula - that looks very nice. You and Fori clearly have the answer, based on your real-world experience. Appreciate the quality input.

I have confirmed with the KD it won't be a problem to order the D/W cabinet panel after the others, as they have assured me they can match the light glazed finish on the maple.

Thanks again.

The advice to order a door for a 24" base cabinet is right _provided you order a full height door_! The integras have top controls, so if a regular base door was ordered, you would also need a drawer front to complete the illusion. Or you'd have 7" of exposed metal. OOPS. Which is what I did.
(ordered a drawer, not the OOPS).
Some fully-integrated DW's still use a panel mounting system that uses a sheet of 1/4" plywood which is retained around the perimeter by a metal trim lip; the door/drawer panel being attached to this plywood. The Bosches do not use this system; the panels attach right to the DW door, as stated with screws and clips. The Bosch system is maddening, and my first one took all day to get right. My next one was done more easily. Maybe the instructions didn't translate well from the original black-letter German text.

Casey

Hey Casey, thanks! Since you accidentally got the shorter door, is there a reason you did not go ahead & order the drawer front to fit it?

Or is that not possible with this Bosch - i.e. can you only use a full height door because of the mounting clips. I've been wondering about that too actually!

antss should remove the nt from their name

"antss should remove the nt from their name"

@Hep Sales - how about you should pay attention. Antss posted nine years ago.

I was having similar issues finding this info, yes, even 11 years later. Found a link that i found helpful, so decided to share..........http://dealerconnect.purcellmurray.com/document/pdf/id/174/filename/design_guide-bosch_custom_dish_design_guide.pdf

@Kelly Allard - there's an issue with the link. Can you repost the correct one?