Kerdi/Redguard Substitute for Quality Construction?
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Comments (15)"Mongoct-- (sorry OP) If not using Kerdi shower pan, but just a mudbed/liner, can you use a topical membrane for a shower floor? I've posted previously, but it didn't catch your attention. I'm trying to understand this more as well... " Sorry if I missed your previous post. I seem to be hit and miss on the forums these days. I'm a little confused by the "mudbed/liner" comment and the desire to use it in conjunction with a topical membrane. So let me ramble a bit: I consider "liners" to be the CPE or CPVC thick shower membrane liners, the ones where you use a deck mud preslope, then install the liner over that with a clamping drain, then top the liner with another layer of deck mud, and you tile upon that. If that's what you're asking about, no I wouldn't use a topical membrane on top of all that. Here's what I consider to be a liner installation. Now back-tracking a bit: There are folk that use a topical membrane with a clamping drain, but they have to "dish out" the sloped mud bed as it gets close to the drain. It's sometimes referred to as the "divot method". That way the topical membrane will drain to the drain's weep holes. If you don't use a divot, then the raised part of the clamping drain can sort of act like a dam, causing water under the tile to pool around the drain. The area around the drain might appear perpetually wet. The divot method is not a technique I embrace. Nothing really wrong with it, it's just not my cup of tea. Here is a photo showing the "divot" carved out of the mud base: Virtually every shower I do is a one-off size or shape, so I'm almost always doing a sloped deck mud base. As to which topical membrane to use, when using Kerdi, I'll do a sloped mud pan and then cover that with Kerdi. If using Hydroban, then I'll still use a Kerdi drain in the sloped mud floor but then use Hydroban on the floor and walls. So if you want to use a topical membrane, then no , do not also use a liner within the floor. One membrane is all you want. Does that help?...See MoreContractor Quote- Whats missing here?
Comments (16)Thanks Miriam, that makes a lot of sense. We are going to tackle the guest bath ourselves when life isn't so hectic. My 9 1/2 month old just started walking and DH just started his PhD and cant commit to tiling on a timeline. I do feel better though about pulling my own permits. I talked to our "contractor" and he said he would put on the Hydroban at no additional costs, and typically he just goes with the homeowner to purchase the construction items so they don't miss anything. ceezeecz thank you for the pocket door and permit info. I am going to check out Johnson hardware. Yes we do need threshholds I completely forgot about that. 8pmg I definitely think the TX market is different. We have a little of a language barrier, but he definitely doesn't seem like a hack. When I told him we wanted two showerheads one rainshower and one sliding bar, he asked if I wanted it like the last bathroom he did and showed me the attached pic. Uhhh no, too fancy for us *lol*. I am going to continue to agonize about this for the next couple day's and drive DH crazy. It's hard to put it off, because DH used it as his paint room and didn't clean up. Previous owner smoked in the house for 20 years, we had to prime and paint every single surface. Ripped out all the laminate and carpet and put in hardwood throughout. Here is a link that might be useful:...See MoreLaticrete Waterproofing System?
Comments (7)The tec products are good but I will caution you now. TEC hydraflex is very overwhelming as a sinus and allergy sufferer myself I hate working with vocs and amoniated products as well have a strong disliking to solvents.. Laticrete?? In the roll on membranes world Ive found "Hydrobarrier" to be the least irritant for me. However A sheet membrane like USG's new shower system is very friendly and combined with say a fast cure thinset like ardex X5 you will maximize onsite air quality.. Hydraflex its purple and the ladys have enjoyed the color once it fully cures!!!! TEC does make a lessor quality waterproof membrane...I would study up on product MSDS sheets for more insight.....-best...See MoreMaster Bath remodel
Comments (22)I am doing a roll-in shower with a solid-surface pan. You can get one fabricated to just about any size through Grifform Innovations in Oregon. They priced out a 36 x 60 trench drain Corian pan for me at $1827 in white with colored colors going up in 3 other color groups to $2205. Shipping to me in Michigan would be around $20. I chose this Shower pan instead, from a company called Transolid. It is a solid-surface pan with a trench drain in the front. The regular drain is just behind the trench drain and they give you a piece of the solid surface material to cover it with (only the edges really need to be open to let the water in). In a very nice looking white Carrara Marble look, it runs $1020 before the 5% discount they are running. It is 37 3/4" x 63" before the walls go up, which will decrease the front-to-back depth to 37" and the width to 61 1/2." They also have a wall system in White Carrara that has white lines embedded into the surface (though they are flat, no indentation) to imitate grout lines so that it looks like they are made with tiles. There are four shelves, too. The walls are made with solid -surface, too. I have a piece of it and it looks like the Corian or Swanstone samples I have sent for, 1/4, " stiff and solid with the color going all the way through the material. Their Carrara looks much better than the Ice and Tundra colors from Swan that was as close and they could get. (My previous choice for a roll-in solid surface pan was Swanstone, and was 34" deep before the 3/4" was subtracted for the wall) Their walls come in two styles. If you want just a hand-held shower head on a bar, you can get their New Construction style set that has an aluminum mesh backer on the quarter-inch panels that stiffen the panels and allow you to have them mounted directly to the studs. If you are like me and need to drill for shower heads and shower valves and the on-off valves, then you need the Remodel style walls. The New Construction set can come with a dome that covers the ceiling, too and gives three LED lights inside the shower. The Remodel style does not have a dome but has and Extension that allows you to take the walls up to or near the ceiling. Here is a link to see their New Construction version with Dome top. The other nice thing about the New Construction version for the ADA shower pan is that it is ready for you to just drill through the outer surface of the shower through holes lined with metal ferrules for the installation of grab bars and the bar for the hand-held shower spray that they sell to go with it. You then just put 2x4 bracing in between the studs when you are preparing the walls before putting up the shower enclosure. Drill the wall material through the ferrules for any grab bars that you want to install. I have been planning my bath remodel for four years. The first delay was due to my hubby wanting time to recover from our previous remodeling nightmare. It was supposed to just be building a wall of bookshelves and cabinets in the front room to make the living room into a den/music room/library. Jim and I discovered that the slab that this room was built on was sunken and cracked in two and that this was hidden under a false floor by the previous owner. We had to get a foundation repair company involved, then repour the slab, repaint and refloor the room. We had no front door all summer while all of this was going on. So I promised hubby no construction for three years! In those years of planning, I looked at all of the possible solid premade shower pans. For the size you want, there are few choices. I am assuming that you want something better than the fiberglass ones that sometimes crack when not installed perfectly and that get dull and cheap looking fairly quickly. Kohler does not make one of their cast iron ones the size you want. 3 ' x 5' (or maybe 34" x 5') will be their largest, and none of them are wheelchair friendly. From my research, I learned a few things to look for. Get either a cast iron or a solid-surface pan. A solid surface is one that has the color going all the way through, where there is no outer coating. This way, if there is ever any staining or scratching, you can use scouring powder and a green scotch brite pad to scrub the surface and buff out most stains or scratches. There are ways to sand out worse scratches. You can actually repair the surface like this because the surface is the same as the inside of the material. You do not want to get a pan that has an outer finish on it as traditional marbleite does. You probably know the kind I mean, the one that looks dull after a few years and cannot be renewed. The acrylic ones have the same problem. If someone tries to sell you anything with a shiny finish, ask if the scotch brite and scouring powder method of renewing the surface can be used, if they say "No," then you know that this is not a solid-surface and that the shine is a temporary condition. The solid surface ones will not be shiny to begin with! I understand your desire to have a nice big shower. I share it. I have to steal a foot of space from my second bedroom to get the shower size I chose and some maneuvering room in the bathroom. So I am settling for the 37" deep shower....See Morebill_vincent
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