I don't think you can beat a Toto. I posted a link to some reviews from Terry Love's site

Here is a link that might be useful: Terry Love toilet review

I've been using my Toto Carlyle II for about 2 months with absolutely no problems.

artemis78: "The Wellworth has a better MaP rating (1000+ vs. 500-800 for the Totos) so I'm trying to figure out how meaningful that really is."

Not meaningful at all at that level. The average dump is around 250-300 grams; anything above 400-500 is more than adequate.

It is a Good Thing to have an objective standard to compare flushing performance, but there are two cautions that must accompany MaP numbers. The first is that, above a certain level, it makes zero difference. A toilet with a 300 MaP rating will flush 250 grams every bit as well as a toilet with a 1,000 MaP rating; once the stuff is flushed, it is flushed; the 1,000 MaP rated toilet cannot flush it four times. Does a car with a speedometer that goes up to 140 mph get around town any quicker than one with a speedometer that goes only to 100 mph?

The second caution is that a MaP rating measures only one aspect of flushing performance: how many condoms of standard diameter and length stuffed with a specific miso paste (not all miso is alike) will be flushed in one action. But not all waste is identical; there will be the occasional hard turd, or the outsize diameter turd, or the extra long turd; the MaP test does not test how a toilet deals with waste of unusual sizes or consistency. If you have a teenager who uses much too much toilet paper, especially "Ultra" thick toilet paper, you may find to your dismay that a toilet rated highly for MaP does not handle paper clogging as well as a lower-MaP toilet.

MaP does not deal with bowl streaking issues, either: some high-MaP-rated toilets all but demand that you keep a brush handy by the toilet to wipe down the bowl after a flush. The MaP test does not test noise, which may be an issue in a powder room just off the living room where guests gather or a bathroom adjacent to the nursery where the baby sleeps.

We installed a Toto Vespin II, the skirted version of the Drake II, at the first of the year. After about 300 days of daily repeated use, we are delighted with it. It flushes everything the first time, reasonably quietly, and the Sanagloss finish on the inside of the bowl keeps streaking to a minimum.

Nothing specifically negative to say about the Wellworth; but for the best overall performance, your choices really are between Toto and Inax (Inax is the BMW to Toto's Mercedes), which from a performance standpoint are far and away the top two brands of toilets in the world.

Here is a link that might be useful: The other toilet you may not have considered

Don't know much about the MaP rating but have had my Toto Drake II round for more than 1 year. It is the toilet that gets use most often in a 2-person household and it works great! I am getting a second one for the other bathroom.

We have had a Wellworth toilet for about a year and a half. We had an issue about six months ago with the flush arm getting stuck, which caused the toilet to run continuously. However, it was easily fixed with a minor adjustment (literally two turns with a screwdriver). As far as flushing power, we've had no complaints. It's our only toilet and we've never had a clog. Every time my mother visits she praises the toilet for such a powerful flush with so little water. I think we paid around $135 for the Wellworth, substantially cheaper than I found doing a quick search for the Toto Drake. hth

Thanks all---especially for the detailed info herring_maven! I do know about Inax but we don't have dealers locally (whereas our neighborhood plumbing shop stocks both the Kohler and Toto base model toilets) so had decided not to go that route. (Their designs were also a bit more modern than we'd ideally like since it's a 100-year-old house with period fixtures.) They do sound amazing performance-wise, though! And yep, Wellworth is definitely cheaper where we are, although all of the models we're considering are between $200 and $500 at our store and it's the only bathroom in the house, so the cost isn't a dealbreaker either way. One ding against the Wellworth is that we have a very tight space for the toilet and it takes up the most front-to-back (only by an inch or so, but it's a very valuable inch since it's the difference between taller people being able to sit without hitting their knees on the bathtub!) The Drake round bowl is the best on that front---hence the concern over how much stock to put in the ratings.

Sounds like I can confidently go the Toto route without too many worries, though. We do have issues with our current toilet (13-year-old 1.6GPF Eljer) clogging frequently due to the shape vs. volume issue (yuck, I know!) so I'm cognizant of bowl shapes/sizes and how that may affect things---though we're hopeful that the bigger issue there is the 100-year-old corroded lead plumbing below the toilet, which is being replaced as part of this project, so fingers crossed that the new toilet will come into a much happier world all around.

If GW had a "like" button...I would "like" herring mavens above post!!

The Terry Love reviews site should give you some Toto confidence. Our Drake is called the Eco Drake and we love it. And anything in a bathroom remodel that is only about $375-$400 is cheap relative to everything else!

Thanks---plumber is here doing the work as we speak, and we did decide to go with the EcoDrake elongated bowl (we have to do 1.28 GPF toilets here). Our plumber convinced me that the elongated bowl would be completely worth it even for a little less knee room, so hopefully he's right. ;) Thanks all for the help!!

We love our Toto's.. bought another for our new (old) house currently under renovation. You could flush a cat down a Toto. (Not that I have, just sayin') You'll be happy.

Thanks! It's in and looks/works beautifully so far, so I'm excited! In the end we didn't even lose any knee space over the old round bowl because the plumber was able to scoot it back a bit closer to the wall, so a win all around.