Calpat: My experience has been terrible when I tried to remove Messenger in the past. With all the alarms that went off you would think I was stealing gold from Fort Knox not getting rid of an intrusive program that I didn't want. I have had great success with End It All to turn off unwanted running background processes while I play games...well Morrowind, a game. After IE7, about all it turned off was the Toshiba pinger. All the processes are now "protected". The security alert background processes. Everything is running now. Its such a pain. I used to be able to "end process" for messenger and a lot of Window stuff...no more. I uninstalled "End it All" because it no longer ended or "killed" anything but the pinger. I think I'm going to have the same problem as you. I don't think you made a mistake. That might be what happens now. I'm scared of it. I tried to remove a fax background process,a long time ago, through MSCONFIG and my computer sounded like a fire drill at an elementary school. mikie ... I'm going to try to look into this anyway. I just hate having to carry messenger because I don't use it, and I won't use it. I don't think it can be removed anymore than I can "end process" for it during a game session like I used to. But you know that I am usually wrong...so I will give a look see... marf

Yes, but it's running on the machine here, O23 - Service: Norton Internet Security (NIS) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files (x86)\Norton Internet Security\Engine\17.0.0.136\ccSvcHst.exe Here; O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NortonOnlineBackupReminder] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Symantec\Norton Online Backup\Activation\NobuActivation.exe" UNATTENDED & here, O2 - BHO: Symantec NCO BHO - (602ADB0E-4AFF-4217-8AA1-95DAC4DFA408) - C:\Program Files (x86)\Norton Internet Security\Engine\17.0.0.136\coIEPlg.dll Check that second link out from bleeping computer in post above.

So far, the only two suggestions I haven't already done (twice!) is remove MSN from add remove and uninstalled old dialup software. Will give add/remove a try. Still using free MSN hotmail, though. Will that still work? If that doesn't work I'll need more info on how to uninstall old dialup software. Thanks, Sandy

I didn't forget Patti! Things are a bit nutso here though! LOL Tangy Lemon Bars Crust: 2 cups flour 1 cup butter or margarine, softened 1/2 cup powdered sugar Cut butter into flour and powdered sugar. Pat into a 9x13 pan. Bake in preheated 350 degree oven for 15 minutes. Remove from oven Filling: 2 cups sugar 4 Tablespoons flour 1 teaspoon baking powder 4 eggs (beaten) 6 tablespoons lemon juice Mix sugar,flour and baking powder. Add eggs and lemon juice. Blend well. Pour over baked mixture. Bake 25 minutes at 350. Frost with the following: (cool bars before frosting) Frosting: 2 cups powdered sugar (sifted) 1 1/2 teaspoons vanilla 4 tablespoons soft butter 2 tablespoons lemon juice