Place Master BR on 1st or 2nd Floor? Pros/Cons?
jph176
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Comments (37)Chiming in about mobility issues! You never know when they might strike, and they're no respecter of age. We have absolutely loved having the first floor master, since I sometimes have a very tough time with stairs. (I'm only 36 but I have had chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia for 13 years.) The garage is a tuck-under which in some ways has been a drag (the stairs; putting a dumbwaiter in for groceries etc. was on the "someday" list) but in others has been wonderful, mostly because you can't even see the two-car garage from the front of the house! Thus we have the practical aspects of having the garage space with the aesthetics of not having an automotive eyesore glommed onto the house. :-) Almost none of the houses I have looked at to buy this time round have had a first floor master bedroom, forget a suite; when we were looking last time (with a bigger budget and lower prices) there were few houses with first floor masters and this was the only one with a first floor master suite. It seemed very luxurious! Most of what we have to select from this time are tiny 1-1/2 story 3/1 Capes with the bathroom and all the bedrooms upstairs which is not that practical for us. If I were in a bad flare-up I would be confined upstairs like the crazy aunt in an old novel! Surprisingly few of the houses in our price range (an admittedly scant supply, what we can afford doesn't buy you much here) are single-story, which would be most practical - I would be expecting to see some 50s ranches but haven't seen one in a couple of months. I think the way our saltbox Cape is designed WRT bedrooms IS very sensible, even though little else about the design is. :-) There is a small master suite on the first floor (which is basically divided into four parts: kitchen, living and dining rooms, and the master suite, with a small one-story annex off the kitchen containing the laundry room and a powder room) and three bedrooms and a bathroom surrounding a small landing on the second floor. Basically the kids have their own private "zone", as there is no reason for nonfamily to go upstairs, so maybe there wouldn't be so many arguments about not-so-neat rooms. :-) The house is small enough that there isn't any problem hearing someone upstairs from downstairs and one would certainly not have ANY difficulty hearing a baby cry (at least any baby I've ever tended!), maybe this is a problem with the huge new houses but you wouldn't need a baby monitor here unless you jump at every sniffle. Most of the folks I know with kids want to get away from them from time to time and have some privacy - I know I would be super uncomfortable getting romantic with my spouse knowing one of the kids was on the other side of the wall! - politically incorrect as it is these days. It's also very practical to have a first floor master suite if an aging parent moves in with the family; the parents can take one of the upstairs bedrooms, even if maybe they have to live without an ensuite bath (man, we're spoiled these days, aren't we? ;-)), so that the elder can remain on one level and be close to the family "action" of kitchen and living room instead of isolated by stairs they have a hard time negotiating. devorah, why have a yard with a "family" house anymore? *cynic mode on* Most kids don't seem to play outside anymore, except at their organized activities like soccer. They stay in with their computers and their Playstations and their iPods, where they're "safer". Before we bought this house in 2004 we rented a house in a "family" subdivision of 50 or so houses, where there was an absolute mob of gradeschool-aged children at the bus stop every morning but there was only one yard where you EVER saw kids playing outside. We would walk our dog around the loop and not see a soul under 30 outside. c9pilot, I managed to sneak out of the house when I lived with my folks in an 800sf single-floor bungalow - they weren't very smart to give me the bedroom with the windows that opened onto the porch! LOL But their bedroom was right next to mine, they were literally sleeping 10 feet away. I think if a teen is truly determined s/he'll find a way to get out and misbehave no matter how the house is designed, unless it's practically a fortress!...See MoreKids upstairs vs. 1st floor
Comments (25)Llyfia -- I raised my kids in single level, split level and two-story homes and they all work. When your kids are babies, it's nice to have their bedrooms nearby but monitors provide similar surveillance when bedrooms are separated. Personally, I think it's a big advantage for parents to have some separation from the kids so they can be intimate or have an argument without explaining what's going on. I wouldn't worry too much about sneaky teens. Chances are you'll be asleep in bed hours before your teens are so it won't really matter. And if they're hellbent on sneaking out, they'll find a way to do it. Regardless of which style home you choose, one feature I strongly recommend is a second living area. It can be a play room when kids are little, and a hang-out room when they're older. It will save your sanity when they're noisy, boisterous teens who enjoy watching things blow up on TV with their friends eating you out of house and home. Sounds like you have a beautiful piece of property. Rather than start with the style of the house at the outset, why not let the land dictate the style? That will allow you to focus more on function, light, views, indoor/outdoor access, etc. I'm sure your architect/designer can help guide that process. Good luck on your project!...See MorePros and cons of floor plan
Comments (21)Some excellent comments above. I'll take another tack... Have you seen what this floor plan looks like on the exterior? Have you seen how this plan fits and works on your site, ie, access and orientation as two examples. So many folks posts floor plans on this web site, as if the plan exist in isolation, when, in fact, floor plans, exterior elevations and roof plans and site plans are all inectricably linked together and should properly be studied together. Changes and improvement in one directly affect all the other characteristics of a house. I lived and practiced architecture in Palo Alto and San Francisco for many years. It used to be a wonderful place. Good luck on your project....See MoreRadiant floors - 2nd floor? A/C?
Comments (32)The heat pump is the Bosch green source CDi, model TW061 with a nominal 5 ton rating. That is a bit deceiving as that is the heat and cooling capacities from water loop and ground water systems. The capacity is 54,400 cooling and 45,400 heating with a closed loop system. It will have the heat recovery option AKA desuperheater plumbing. I will couple that with a standard residential water heater and Leeds standard circulation pump system to put hot domestic water where we want it. The house sits on a full unfinished basement built with Insulated Concrete Forms (ICF), so it is really not unfinished other than the ceiling sheet rock. It is all conditioned space, there is no unconditioned space, no attic etc. It has a generous mechanical room for the heating and cooling equipment, the water heater, the HRV unit and all other infrastructure. I will use Heat Sheet R-10 Heavy in the basement slab to provide insulation and hydronic loop installation security. https://heat-sheet.com/heat-sheet-heavy/ It is an easy to use 2x4 system that interlocks and acts as a vapor barrier as well. I ran the house through LennoxPros Coolcalc room by room, and came up with : 25018 BTUh heating 21002 BTUh cooling 973 CFM That seems very optimistic to me. I will install 3/4" pex under slab where ever possible in the basement, save some footing and wall areas and an elevator pit. I was planning on 1' spacing everywhere in the home. The main and second floors will have staple up 3/4" pex with aluminum shields, and I will use the staple up insulation methods outlined at Radiantec's extensive research library. We are using staple up rather than warm board or lightweight concrete so we can install as "live" a floor system as possible. This will help with my wife's rheumatoid arthritis. I realize that I will lose the heat mass and stability of the other methods, it is a tradeoff we are going to make. We are coupling the heat pump with the Bosch HY035 air handler unit for both cooling and the faster reaction heating. It has plenty of CFM and BTUh capacity for our needs. The vast majority of the heating will be done by the hydronics, and 3 tons of cooling is plenty when you look at the Manual J calculation above. I will use hard ducting only for the HVAC, I can't see putting flex inside closed ceilings. All the hydronic runs and also the ground loop runs are home runs to that mechanical room. I see no point in hiding fused connections in the ground or hydronic joints above finished ceilings etc. I made the equipment space generous for this reason. The ground loops will enter the basement via 1.5" or 2" HDPE sleeves. I will install the loops so they can be isolated at the manifold if there is an issue, and spaced so I can replace a loop in the rare event of a failure. All the manifolds will be built with copper ProPress fittings, and I will utilize mechanical unions at every valve so any failed valve can be readily replaced without completely draining and drying out the system for soldering etc. I have not picked out the exact models in some cases but I have a little time for that....See Morebrickton
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