An ice maker is the biggest source of problems in fridges today. If you have a dispenser in the door , they are practically guaranteed to fail before the fridge does. Now, I think you are simply swimming against the rive witha Liebherr ice maker. Why - they are a Euro co. making Euro fridges, and Europeans don't really use ice like we do and VERY FEW have them in their home freezers. Liebherr's ice maker is a total afterthought for the American market form a co. that really doesn't do ice makers. Any wonder it failed ??? SZ on the other hand has been making freezers with ice makers for 50 + years. They've got it about as right as anyone can. They still have units break though. Their service is as good as it gets in the industry and their products justify their cost - even if that cost is high and not seen as a good value to the mass market.

Mine went in my Jenn-air fridge after 5 years. It was the heater in the icemaker, but I just replaced the whole icemaker. Gary

We have a SubZero undercounter drawers unit, where the top drawer is the refrigerated section & the bottom drawer is the freezer section. We ordered it with the icemaker & it does eject ice into a bin that you can scoop from. We've had the unit 2 years & have been happy with it. It had a service issue after 6 months: the bell that signals an open drawer stopped working & the temperature display went out. SZ fixed both promptly under warranty. The unit we have is 27" wide, which is wider than most.

Thank you all — more food for thought. sherri1058, Building for the CATS, cpartist — Honestly, I’ve not bothered to look at induction, it has never interested me. I may give it a test-cook and see how I like it. I love all of your enthusiasm for your cooktops. Building for the CATS — Your screen name makes me giggle. :-) It’s heartening to see you didn’t give up on the idea of a warming drawer, but concluded that the location was the problem - not the drawer itself. On the Miele, I know it’s just a refrigerator, but . . . SO elegant. cpartist — I think I’ve been in the fun years all my life — every decade gets better. :-) I will definitely post my kitchen plan for input. linus2003 — Thank you. I will compare those models. My mother just ordered one of the proline models (I don’t yet know which) to replace her 20 year old Miele. I think the price of one of those is about equal to the price of two of the 6165s, so it it may come down to space for me. plllog — I laughed out loud, literally, at your cartoon character comment. I am going to walk into the showroom and pretend I’m baking some of my everyday items and see which I prefer. I’ll take my dishes as well. :-) Great advice. Thank you! Chanop — Thank you so much of taking the time to post all those pictures and the detailed steps. I can certainly see why some people may see that as complicated for combi cooking. Oddly, however, it actually looks like fun to me. I know, I’m an odd duck. I can see myself setting up user programs for baguettes, boules, roasted [insert veggie here], etc. I gather custom programs are also available on the Gaggenau, however. This weekend I am going to an appliance store that has both the Gaggenau and the Miele. I will put both through their paces and decide from there. friedajune — All good points. Clearly, I need to do more research on hoods. Costco — good idea! GardenWeb forums, here I come! To misquote Blanche DuBois, I am deeply thankful for the kindness of strangers. Julie aka Lefty Lou