I think this has been a fruitful discussion. I hope it continues. The more I think about this, the more I believe people should be encouraged by KDs, the kitchen sellers at the big box stores, cabinet makers, etc., to consider counter heights when planning a kitchen. And I think a big shout-out to many of the great contributors here at GW is called for because until I spent hours...well, really weeks of hours...reading through reveals, advice to folks planning their kitchens, and such, I never would have thought of all these types of details being important for a good, functional, pleasant space. GWE’s (GardenWeb Experts) are the bomb!! Last night I made a big salad and started a pot of “clean out the refrigerator” soup. I really liked chopping and that kind of prep on the higher counter. My DH helped a bit a really liked it as well. I also made scratch biscuits. I hand-mixed the dough at four different heights: on the higher counter with the triple breadboards on top (didn’t like), regular counter height (didn’t like), on the breadboard when it was slid into its slot, just below counter-height (liked it much better but still a bit high), and then put the breadboard across two counter-height stools (a bit too low). I think a small stretch of counter somewhere in-between the latter two would be nice for that type of work and other baking, machine-mixing, yada yada type tasks. I’ll continue the experiments. My chiropractor...who I seldom need anymore due to the excellent exercises he’s given me to strengthen my back and keep myself in alignment...does a weekly radio show on our local station. I called in this morning and mentioned this issue and asked him about it. He was very enthusiastic and gave some examples of people he has worked with who have had back issues directly related to long-term repetitive movements where things are not at the right height for them. So, really, for someone who cooks a lot, this isn’t a trivial issue. I really want to learn more about this. Oh, gosh...my friends already think I’m the anti-high-heel and heavy-purse nazi, now I'll be the counter-height nazi, too. But I had a back injury for which I was told I would never fully recover, only have limited mobility, and will always have pain. Well, I proved them wrong on all counts due to proper exercises (mostly from chiropractor) and body movements. I can go hiking with a 30+-pound pack and other activities, like 50-mile bike rides, that they said I'd never be able to do again. And I haven't taken a pain pill since 2008. It's because I've become the healthy-back nazi, LOL. This stuff is important for quality of life issues, imho. Off my soap box. @westsider 40 - Good points about not kneading long. I really don’t bake often where I need to knead. When I do, I move my large breadboard to my table and do it there. So it might be best to just continue doing it that way. @Oaktown - 14” difference! Wow. You would almost need two separate kitchens to work best for the two of you. Yeah, I think you should have a stool under each appliance and in each toekick. Just pull the whole thing out when you’re cooking. DH can push it all in when he’s cooking. @tracie.erin - Interesting on the stove height. I can see why that would be good to have it lower since your arm motion is different when stirring and such at a stove vs. chopping/slicing/dicing in a prep area. I do think my stove is the right height. If we do raise the counters on the wall, we’ll have to make adjustments for a lower stove top. Thanks for the tip. @laughable - Yes, I’m trying to put a lot of thought into this kitchen. And you are one of the people who have really inspired me to put in the extra time and effort to get it right. It will be my last so it better be good! I usually transfer from stock/crock pots in the sink because I’m unbelievably clumsy, lol. The pictures aren’t showing, darn it. I just am getting the Photobucket “This person has moved or deleted” message. It could be my computer. I had to take it back to factory settings last night and am still loading updated drivers and such. I’ll come back later and check it again. I can visualize your explanation of what he did in his own kitchen and why. Still need to get to my library to see if they have any of his books.

Thanks everyone. To tell you a little more, I no longer have a desktop and use a laptop for everything. My I've had 2 touchscreen laptops, so I have a keyboard for typing and use the touchscreen for navigating, editing and things you might use a mouse or the touchpad for. My son has left his personal laptop with me to use while he's been working, so I am trying the Mac without a touchscreen. I do find it easy to type on and like that. I am not finding myself using the touch bar for the most part. I do find myself touching the screen to try to scroll up or other things I would do so quickly before. I'm not ready to throw it out the window, so I guess I might adjust. I do not like to type on the touchscreen. No. I did that for a day or two on the laptop once the keyboard started dying and I figured I had that end around -- but it drove me crazy. I couldn't even see what I was typing if it was anything more than a short line or two. It was short lived anyway -- it disappeared and now just has a ghost -- just a line to show where the top edge should be. I miss it only because there is a laptop sitting idle over there and I hope I got everything backed up because I don't now that I will have any access to it. My boys both have ipads and use them for a variety of things - a lot of music support. The youngest got his because it was the preferred way to have his college choir sheet music and he could use it for textbooks and class materials in other classes and have so much less to carry around. The oldest got his when he was talking about getting one and I gave him the one I had and just wasn't using. Though I have considered the ipad pro with keyboard as an option now. I think the comment that change is hard sums it up. I will need to make some changes no matter what I decide, but I'm nowhere near as frustrated with this Mac as I was with WIndows 8 when that first came out. That is encouraging.

No letter either. I got my notice from HaveIBeenPwned.com which told me I was pwned. " In mid-2018, the housing design website Houzz suffered a data breach. The company learned of the incident later that year then disclosed it to impacted members in February 2019. Almost 49 million unique email addresses were in the breach alongside names, IP addresses, geographic locations and either salted hashes of passwords or links to social media profiles used to authenticate to the service. The data was provided to HIBP by dehashed.com.

We in the daylily forum have discovered we cannot see each others user profile information, things like trade lists, about ourselves, etc. We could before last year's "upgrade". What happened and how to we fix it?