What I meant was in answer to the questions about what antivirus programs to get Owbist had given a list of good known programs, anytime you are going to get a program you do not know of always come here and ask so we can make sure you are getting a good legit program. There are many many of these rogue programs out there now and we try to keep anyone from falling for their tricks. They are serious malware that act like they are legit programs. You likely can not get the money back since you used paypal, I am not real familiar with their terms, but you are lucky you did not give them your actual credit card info so that part is good. The worst part is now you have a bad situation on your computer. My best suggestion is for you to follow my directions to go to the other forum and ask for help telling them you got Antivirus elite. If you need help posting there I can do that for you, I am there also. Just let me know if you want me to start the post there for you. They will lead you step by step using some specialized programs to get your pc cleaned up.

So far, the only two suggestions I haven't already done (twice!) is remove MSN from add remove and uninstalled old dialup software. Will give add/remove a try. Still using free MSN hotmail, though. Will that still work? If that doesn't work I'll need more info on how to uninstall old dialup software. Thanks, Sandy

MSN has an instant messaging program that goes into the startup if you use it one time. To stop it from starting each time, go to start/run and enter msconfig. Click on the Startup tab and uncheck msmsgs. Click Apply, then click Close. You'll be prompted to Restart or Exit without Restart. You can exit without restart and let it take effect the next time you boot. I think you get a message the next time you boot, but I forget what it says exactly. It's something that just verifies that you wanted to make the changes you made.

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