I think what you really need to think about is keeping temps in the GH even as possible. You don't want cold pockets or hot pockets either. I am in the south, so my heater amounts to a little electric heater from WallyWorld. I'm trying to keep the GH at no lower that 63-65 at night. I have an osolating fan mounted high in the GH that runs 24/7 year round. I have 3 smaller fans mounted at all levels (top of top shelf, top of bottom bench, and floor) that I run during the day when it's hot, and at all times when I run the heat. I have two remote thermometers that tell me the temp in the GH from inside my house. With the fans running on low my temps are even from the north wall to the south wall or maybe only a degree difference. The fans are a must to get this effect. In a GH I believe most of the heat is lost by way of the roof. Just throwing a couple of sheets of plastic sheeting over and securing it to the roof will help with heat loss on those really cold nights. I haven't had to do that YET, but I am prepared. Good Luck!! Pat.........

Hi Ladyrose: I'll check out Rosemania.com, thanks for giving me the website. Hi Kitty: I checked on liquid fish emulsion, it's less salty than fish meal, it's preserved in phosphoric acid which gives a pH of 4 to 5. I found a link that showed excellent result with Neptune soluble fish emulsion, pH of 5.0, calcium of 3.64, and Iron of 101. Neptune has good amounts of calcium and iron, which are often deficient in alkaline clay soil. The alfalfa pellets did poorly in this university experiment, showing chlorosis in marigolds. Alfalfa pellets has pH of 5.9, calcium of 2.24, and less Iron at 65. However, when neptune soluble fertilizer is used in conjunction with alfalfa pellets, marigolds achieved biggest bloom. Both Chamblee and Heirloom nurseries recommend a slow-release nitrogen fertilizer, then a soluble fertilizer applied at 2 weeks interval. The Chicago Botanical Garden stated their soil pH at 7.4, with composted leaves and they use a soluble fertilizer 20-20-20 for their roses. However, there's salt-build up with chemical like MiracleGro, esp. with potassium chloride with a salt index of 118.2, and ammonium sulfate with a salt index of 88.3. Anything good in excess can be harmful. Someone reported using a $10 bottle of fish emulsion for the entire year, in a very diluted dosage with good result. Others report bad burns with fish emulsion called "Alaska MorBloom", NPK of 0-0-10-10. High phosphorus content like bone meal and MorBloom is notorious for burning plants' roots, and best used more diluted than instructed. Below is the link to a University study on Neptune Fish fertilizer, they use discarded RAW fish, which preserves the enzymes and bacteria beneficial that feed both the soil and the plants. Other fish products use COOKED fish, which destroys the enzymes. Here is a link that might be useful: University of Massachusetts on Organic Fertilizer

Thanks for your replies, and I'm sorry for you losses. Just to clarify, I didn't give in on the headstone. They had made all these requests of things they wanted, but offered no help. I was at a standstill with the headstone, as they hadn't sent out any pictures I had asked them to send me, since they wanted them on the headstone. I guess I wasnt exactly ready to do it, either. But it was definately harder without any guidance at all, and no help. I was just told what to do, and how to do it. And to pay for it. I guess I was taking too long, so they all went behind my back and did it, without asking me what I wanted. I got an email saying "You couldn't get things together, so we did it instead. Go see the headstone, its beautiful" I had no idea they had one in the works, until it was already placed on the gravesite. I would have at the very least liked them to take over the one I had been getting made, and put the finishing touches on it. But they didn't even ask what I wanted on the headstone. My boyfriend isn't that bad. He just frustrates me. He didn't come into the picture until a month and a half after my dad passed away. So he wasn't there for most of the family drama, or the fights over money, and the fights my aunt had with my sister, pretty much telling my sister she had no say in anything because she wasn't related by blood. All he knows is what he's been told. And he's done remarkabley well considering I was and still am somewhat of a basketcase. He just walked in blindly not knowing what he was getting himself into at all, and he's put up with a lot. Going to lawyers apts with me, listening to me complain about people he's never met. Watch me cry for no real reason at all. Put up with my silly meltdowns over nothing all that important. That has to be tough to deal with, when you know hardly anything about the situation. He has done a lot for me, and he's put up with a lot of silly crazy meltdowns, and demands. So while he definately doesn't always say the right things, he's so good in other areas, and is really helpful or atleast tolerant that it makes up for it. It just stresses me out sometimes that he doesn't see things the way I do. I'm really sorry about losing your daughter, I can't imagine. I've done the group therapy, 3 times now I think. And I've done the counsellor thing for years. I really think it's just coming down to time, now. I'm not plagued daily by all of this, but anytime it comes down to something important, I just have the hardest time being decisive or following through with it. Thats the only thing holding me back from trying to move on. I cant do the important things. Group therapy is also a very bad place for me to be. I'm excellent at transferring others problems onto myself, to ignore my own problems. I usually end up miserable after group therapy, feeling very sorry for everyone else and feeling horrible for being sad about my situation when it could be worse. And then I get depressed because so many bad things are happening to so many good people. And my issues get worse, and get ignored. Group has never ended well for me. Rose, I feel bad for your daughter. That sounds like a very rough, emotional year. I hope she's doing alright, and getting through everything okay.

Btw I'm jesse I'm very new to the plumeria forum as I have only been growing plumerias for about a year & 1/2 but I managed to get 8 plumies already and I want more as I'm addicted to them :). I mean who isn't after their first one?! I'm from Orange CA born and raised but currently live in riverside CA. Btw I would of never thought to root plumeria in water! I thought it would rott. I'm definitely going to try it when I get a cutting. When I bought some plumerias I was given 4 cutting that had a lot of green on them not that mature. I got them to root but it took forever. I put them in water to plump up because they were really soft by the time I got home (they were already kinda soft when I received them. They were free so I took them) and then I put rooting hormone on them the next day and mixed miracle grow soil with perlite and put them in 1 gallon pots with black stones ontop of the soil and watered good and put in direct sun and I did mist the cuttings so they wouldn't go soft again. I did water the soil every few days because in direct sun the soil dried out pretty quick. They did root I recently gave 2 away and I kept 2 I dont remember what Variety they are all I know they were some sort of pink. They bloomed but don't even remember how they look like I was on vacation when they started. now they have 3 branches on them. I feel that I did a good job for my first time at rooting plumeria cuttings. Now that I remember I also rooted another cutting along with those 4. It's a cutting that is very special to me know that was gifted to me by my Uncle when he saw I had just got into plumerias he already had 2 but he had bought some cuttings and he gave me one. When he gave me the cutting it had flowers on it and it was a Y the blooms I kind of remember were 2 or possibly 3 dark colors I remember I liked it a lot. When I first tried to root it I failed and it rotted so then had to save it and cut off and just kept 1 cutting that eventually rooted and now has formed another Y but haven't seen it bloom again. It's very special to me because my uncle has Gone to heaven this past December and he left me my last great gift that I will treasure. Anyways But I will definitely next time try the water rooting. Thanks for the info and I will look forwards in learning much more from you!