When I had seeds to trade, I posted on the Seed Exchange forum. I made sure my trade list was up-to-date. If someone was interested in trading with me, they contacted me via email. As with other gardening objectives, it makes sense to define your goals--decide how you want to trade (i, e, postage, address labels, envelopes) and put that out there on GW. List the seeds you have to trade on your trade list, then post what seed types you've got available on the Seed Exchange forum. I "shopped" for seeds on the Seed Exchange forum a couple of years until I filled my garden beds. I kept the seed exchange information (i.e., names & addresses of folks with whom I traded) on an Excel spreadsheet so I'd have it for future reference. Common sense rule of thumb is be sure you get return postage prior to mailing seeds.

FYI...it's also talked about and linked to in the "Read Me" thread. Here is a link that might be useful: Read Me If You're New To GW Kitchens!

It's frustrating to many newcomers to see all the posts with photos included in the text and have no idea how it's done. With this FAQ I'm attempting to explain the process so posting photos will not only be possible, but will be easy. The first one is the hardest; after you've got the method in hand, posting photos will be routine. The FAQ is excerpted from a series of threads where various forum members contributed valuable information and commentary. The threads got heavy with discussion, all of it useful but maybe hard to wade through if you just want to get a photo included in your post and don't really want to know the nitty-gritty. I'll give the SHORT and the LONG of it so you can take what you want and ignore the rest. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE REALLY REALLY SHORT OF IT: 1. Get the photo onto your computer desktop, by digital camera or scanning or whatever. 2. Upload the photo to a web-hosting site; either by opening an account (Picasa, Photobucket, etc.) or by using a site that doesn't require an account (such as TinyPic or imgur). Pick a reasonable size for posting like 640 X 480 pixels. 3. From the list of codes on the website, pick the HTML code and copy it. DO NOT copy the IMG code. It won't work on GW. 4. Paste the HTML code into your message. 5. Preview should show the photo included in your post. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE LONG OF IT FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO KNOW MORE: 1. OVERVIEW To post a photo you need a digital camera that you can connect to a computer or a smart phone with internet access. Using a digital camera you transfer the photo to the computer, then you upload that photo to the internet using your browser. You can either upload to a photo hosting website and then post a link to that site on Garden Web, or you can upload directly on some forums. If you have an iPhone you can email a photo directly to the internet, without using a computer. PDF files on your computer can also be uploaded to the web. In a pinch, you can always photograph a set of drawings and then upload those photos. Once you have the photo somewhere on the internet, you have two choices for Garden Web. You can post a link to the website URL in the Optional Link URL box at the bottom of your message (don't forget to name it in the Name of the Link box), or you can post a link in the text of your message that links directly to your image on that website. The website URL is on the top of the page; the image HTML code is somewhere on that page. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. WEB HOSTING SITES, ETC. These are the most commonly used methods to get a photo on the internet: You can use a web hosting site where you can set up your own photo albums (there are many, such as Photobucket, Picasa and Picture Trail) or you can use or , which are basically web photo transfer sites, Some forums allow direct upload to GW, but the size is limited. *An advantage of the hosting site is that you can set up a page with many photos on it and organize them by topic. A great example is sedum37's site on Picture Trail (see the Flora in Winter thread). *A disadvantage of the hosting site is that you have to set up an account, which some people may be reluctant to do. *An advantage of and is that it's very easy to upload one photo and link to it, and you don't have to set up an account. *A disadvantage of and is that you can only upload one photo at a time, which is not useful if you want to show many photos. *An advantage of the hosting site is that you can post thumbnails (a thumbnail is a small pic that is clickable and the click directs you to the full-size pic in the album on the hosting site). This is good if you want small details like dimensions to be readable. *A disadvantage of is that you can't post a thumbnail or click on the pic and get directed to a larger file. If you do click on the pic, you'll just get directed to the main TinyPic site. If this really annoys you, you can use the "direct link for layouts code" or go to . You still won't get a clickable pic, but you'll avoid the advertising. Thanks to wendyb for this tip. Whatever method you use to get your photo on the internet, you still have the options of posting a link to the website (in the Optional Link URL box) or posting a link to the image in the body of your text. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. DOES SIZE MATTER? It's important that the photo be within a certain size range by the time it gets to Garden Web. In a previous thread, DtD mentioned loading time as an issue, and mad_gallica explained it thus: "When talking about 'size' of a digital photo, it can refer to two separate, though often related things. The physical size of the picture on the screen, and the file size of the information necessary to show the photo. Physically large pictures mess up the thread formatting. Large file sizes are the ones that take forever to download." She gives some good examples in the 7/10/11 thread. Summarizing, there are two effects related to the size of the photo as posted. 1. Physically large photos mess up the readability of the thread - you have to scroll back and forth and back and forth to see both text and image. 2. Big photo files with lots of information load slower - you have to sit around tapping your feet (or go wash the dishes) waiting for the pic to show up. Somewhere along the way when you're moving that photo from your camera to the internet and then to GW, you will be given a choice of resizing the photo, which is usually huge as it leaves the camera. Way too big for the forum. Desirable sizes are either "thumbnails" which some hosting sites provide, or something close to 640 X 480 pixels. "Medium" or "Small" varies from program to program, so don't rely on it. (see corunum/Jane's discussion in the previous thread). Thumbnails are small pics which will link to a full-size pic in an online album. You may incur the wrath of other Garden Web members if your photo is larger than 640 x 480 pixels and thus becomes very difficult to read. Remember that your post may look fine in Preview in the window on your monitor, but others may be using computers that show a very different view. If it becomes too difficult to read, people just give up and they'll never see your images. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MORE FORUM COMMENTS diggingthedirt (on an earlier thread) adds this reason for using Picasa: "Here's why I like google's picasa web more than the option: If I select a small size for my photos when I post them via picasa, you can click on them and be taken directly to the larger size photo in the picasa album. If I click on a small tinypic photo, I end up at a page that offers me an account at tinypic; the original photo is nowhere to be found. The small size Carol used (320px x 221px) seems really useful for threads where there are a lot of images. I often use an old laptop with limited graphics memory, and loading an image-heavy thread takes a VERY long time, and makes my computer behave badly. So, yes, the photo-hosting site is a personal choice, but there are a lot of details to consider when you choose!" In previous threads wendyb gives good tips on HTML code and the use of and . One such comment is: "The reason upload does not take you to the picture if you click on it is because using the HTML code that they provide, sets it up that way intentionally to bring you to a new account page. I never use their html code. I use the "direct link for layouts" code and add the required html img src= around it." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. EASY WAY TO GET STARTED That said, I use TinyPic myself to include an image in the body of the text. I suggest you try TinyPic at first so that you can work out the bugs and get confidence that it will actually happen. Once you've mastered this, you can explore hosting sites to find whatever suits you personally. You don't have to set up an account at a hosting site if you use . 1. Transfer the photo from your camera to your computer desktop. 2. The photo files on your computer must be in a format such as jpg, png, gif, base 64 encoded image, or bmp. 3. Using , you hit the "Choose File" button and it searches your computer desktop. 4. Choose one then select a size (640 x 480 is good)("Resize" button). Note that choosing Thumbnail (160x120) just gets you a small pic; it won't be clickable. 5. Hit the "UPLOAD NOW" button. Before it will upload, you will have to enter the annoying scrambled code, then upload will proceed. When the file is uploaded, click once on the top code (labeled 'HTML for websites') and it will automatically be copied to your clipboard so you can paste it. Don't use the IMG code, it doesn't work on Garden Web. 6. Paste the HTML tag in the text message of your post, not in the "optional link URL". This is the easiest way I know. Claire

"... Should we push the exterior wall back even further so there's still room for an island & walkway?..." If budget allows - that's what I would do. Here's what you could do if you can push the external wall out to be flush with the FR wall on the right (not counting the bay). I think it opens up the Kitchen more and gives it a more spacious feel. Note that I flanked a 48" window with cabinets. If you would like a bigger window, consider eliminating the 15" on the left (or merging 12" of it into the easy reach in the corner) and shortening the 51" to 48" or 45". You might even consider a bumpout in front of the window - say 6" to 9" - to give you more room behind the sink. It depends on what's outside the window - you don't want to put a bumpout where someone might run into it. I put in 3" deeper counters along the range wall. You now have a real pantry - much less expensive than one pantry cabinet, let alone two! It's also much better/efficient storage. The pantry is 81" wide with 12" deep shelves on three walls and two 24" swing out doors to give you 48" of doorway space when needed (e.g., when putting away groceries.) I enlarged the doorway to the Powder & Laundry Rooms to 36". When carrying baskets to/from the Laundry Room, I think you will appreciate 36" instead of the 31" there right now. The Family Room entrance is almost 12' wide. But, to support the span, I added walls on each end of the opening. The table will fit in the space. I put in a 42" wide table, that's DR sized, so if you have a narrower table (39") for the space, there will be more space than I show. The aisle b/w the table and the island is 60" - that's the minimum I'd do with seating on each side of the aisle. The refrigerator is on the range wall so it's easily accessed from the Kitchen w/o having to cross a potentially busy aisle to/from the Garage. It's also on the periphery so it's someone from the DR, table space, or FR an get to it without crossing into the primary work area of the Kitchen. The refrigerator is a standard depth (36") and is recessed into the wall behind it a couple of inches. With the 3" deeper counters and recessing a couple of inches, that's 5". The refrigerator now looks counter-depth, but it's a less expensive and larger size. The island is much bigger to encompass the post. To add symmetry, I added a post on the other other end as well. With the additional size, you now have extra storage for seldom used items in 12" deep cabinets under the seating overhang. The island provides 53" of prep space. The trash pullout is located in the primary Prep Zone (island) but is close to the secondary Prep Zone, the Cooking Zone, and the Cleanup Zone. (You generate far more trash & recyclables while prepping & cooking than you do when cleaning up - and for a longer period of time. So, it makes sense to put it in the Prep Zone.) OK...here it is! . Layout #1: Layout #1 - Zone Map: