How to fix Capital Culinarian burner "starters"?
BillWA28
10 years ago
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Comments (36)reluctantartist - Here's the issue, as I understand it. This is NOT a formal legal opinion, so don't rely on it, but... Calforna's standards for residential construction are contained in the California Residential Code, which is part of Title 24 of the California Code of Regulations (CCR). As of January 2011, for the first time, the CRC does follow the 2009 IRC. It doesn't just do it by reference, however, it adopts specific code sections that contain the language of the model code, sometimes in slightly modified form. More importantly, the California Residential Code ONLY adopts equivalents of the IRC codes up through the end of Part III (("Building Planning and Construction") of the 2009 IRC. The section of the IRC that addresses makeup air (section 1503.4), however, is in Part 5 of the 2009 IRC ("Mechanical"), within Chapter 15 ("Exhaust Systems"). If you look at the California Residential Code, however, it specifically says "Note: Part V is not adopted. See California Mechanical Code, Title 24, Part 4") This is actually part of the California Residential Code as posted on ICC's own site, as shown in the attached link. The 2010 California Mechanical Code, is based not on the equivalent sections of the IRC, but on the Uniform Mechanical Code. I does NOT contain any makeup air requirement(s) equivalent to section 1503.4 of the IRC. It does contain provisions for makeup air of gas heaters, commercial kitchens, etc, but the ONLY potentially directly relevant section of the CMC to residential ventilation, based on my cursory initial review, is Section 701.1.4, which states the general proposition that "Where exhaust fans, clothes dryers and kitchen ventilation systems interfere with the operation of appliances, makeup air shall be provided." No specific standards for CFM. The other section of the CMC for residential ranges is section 504 (Environmental Air Ducts) and its subsections, which doesn't address makeup air but does say generally that "Environmental air ducts not regulated by other provisions of this code shall comply with this section . . . Exhaust ducts shall terminate outside the building and shall be equipped with back-draft dampers...Environmental air duct exhaust shall terminate a minimum of three (3) feet (914 mm) from property line and three (3) feet (914 mm) from openings into the building." It also says, more specifically at subsection 504.2 ("Domestic Range Vents") that "Ducts used for domestic kitchen range ventilation shall be of metal and shall have smooth interior surfaces." I can't find the reference right now, but I remember there is also a provision stating that kitchen exhausts can't issue into "walkways." Again, this isn't a legal opinion, and I could be wrong. Also, in California as everywhere else local jurisdictions are free to adopt MORE stringent code requirements, so you still need to check with your local agency to make sure they haven't independently adopted a specific makeup air requirement. But in the absence of such a local requirement, I don't think there is any hard and fast CFM-related makeup air requirement in California, at least yet....See MoreCapital Culinarian.. in person...
Comments (93)Went to the showroom in Newport Beach - thanks for the tips on the phone numbers! Well worth the trip, totally made my decision easy. The Capital looks so much more refined than the Blue Star. The Blue Star was top of my list but it looks so industrial that I just couldn't put it in my kitchen. I thought I wanted a self-clean but after looking at both, I liked the manual much better. The shelves in the manual slide in and out much better than the shelves on rollers in the self-clean version. The rollers seemed to stick on the self-clean displays and the rotisserie is a beast! I'm sure if I was really into rotisserie cooking, it would be great but it looks like you could spear an entire turkey on that thing! Sam was super accomodating and made everything super easy - I ordered my 36 Culinarian the next morning and cannot wait for it to arrive . . ....See MoreCapital Culinarian-Calling all owners of Culinarians
Comments (8)Overall, we've been really happy, and we've been having pretty good results with ours. We managed to get the grates just in time to cook Thanksgiving dinner on the thing. Very glad I heard about the Capital before going for Blue Star. The wok burner was a big selling point, and so far we've been very happy with it. The wok grate holds the wok very securely (we tested this when we visited the factory, so it wasn't surprising). Boiling water, even large quantities, really is quite fast on this thing. While I still think that anyone who tries to justify purchasing a $4k+ range because it will "save time" is engaging in a high degree of rationalization, there definitely are cases where you notice a few minutes being shaved off here or there. Using the burners on "normal" settings is also very satisfying; I haven't found that getting used to that much power has required too much adjustment. We have all 23k burners, and the lowest flame really does get down pretty low (though it's still high enough to keep a ~4.5 qt saucepan at a pretty active simmer, so if you want to do really delicate stuff, you might still want one of the smaller burners). Baking and broiling (so far, broiling has been limited to making tomatillo salsa) have been going pretty well. Adjusting to using convection has, of course, required some experimentation, but the oven seems to bake evenly and well. Even with reduced heat *and* reduced cooking time, the cookies I've made so far have still been a little dry with convection; thinking of taking the advice of a pastry chef friend to just leave convection off when making cookies. A few minor issues / irritations so far: 1) Slight buzz sometimes when the convection fan is on - this happened more before we got the grates, but even with the grates on, something seems to rattle / buzz occasionally (besides the sound of the fan itself). 2) Burners constantly re-igniting. This happens most with one of the burners (front right), usually when it's just been turned on and when it's turned up all the way. If you back the heat off, it will usually stop re-igniting, and then you can bring the heat back up after a little bit. Seems to happen even when all / most of the holes have flame coming out of them. 3) Occasional constant re-igniting when burners are on simmer... this is probably due to flame from some of the holes going out, so maybe not a "bug", but it's still kind of annoying. On a more cosmetic level, I don't think they did a great job with the center grate for the 30" -- it just doesn't really fit in - the height seems just a tiny bit higher than the grates, and having the solid bar across the sides makes it look awkward. It's almost as if it were designed for a different range - at first, I thought it was actually from the Precision, until I looked at the iamges of the Precision online. Something closer to what Blue Star has (where the cross-hatch pattern kind of "mates" with the grates themselves) would look better IMHO. There is a little bit of "fuzz" with the way the grates fit in the top - I'm not sure whether this is intentional or not, but there's no obvious way to tell exactly how the grates should be positioned (other than trying to visually line them up so the burner's in the center). We didn't want a self-clean range, but the setup for the rails on the self-clean model does look a little nicer. Looks-wise, I don't really love the logo, the black sides of the knobs (and the red knobs are even uglier), or the rounded corners on the bar to open the oven. I know people make a big deal about the look of the Capital, but I have to say that from a purely aesthetic point of view, I personally much prefer the Wolf, or even the Blue Star. But still glad we went with Capital....See MoreCapital Culinarian burners clicking on simmer?
Comments (25)I see it this way: there's a reason every other manufacturer has different burners with different max and min BTU ratings (or they only go to 16 or 17k BTUs)it's very, very difficult (some may argue impossible) for one burner to span nearly 23k BTUs and operate optimally at full on and simmer. Full on is the easy part but when it's on simmer there's not enough gas to support all the ports and it clicks (hence the sheet metal disk add-on) or flickers unevenly. The burner video on Eurostove's dedicated Culinarian website showing the burner on simmer has different ports going out and reigniting constantly. Everyone's might not be clicking but are everyone's ports (holes) all lit on simmer? Is the pattern uniform and consistent or flickering? Does the flame go out if you quickly go from high to low? Seems like they're doing retrofits and tweaks to keep the ports near the igniter lit so people don't complain. I doubt any change to the actual casted burner design has been made, just changes after the fact, sheetmetal add ons, drilling ports and messing with simmer settings. That's why I said maybe it wasn't quite ready for market....See Morethull
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