jmith, thank you AGAIN! I really appreciate your posts :-) Uh...where does the air make-up unit go?? Breezygirl, wow, thank you for your thoughtful and reasoned post! Yes, upon reflection, an underccounter oven would not be good for my back. I was thinking that maybe I would only use the second oven for parties and holidays, but sometimes we have friends over every weekend. Good point about the cost of separate ovens. I do like the look of double ovens, too. Especially the Bosch 800 series and the Kenmore Pro, but it is very hard to find anything on them...few mixed reviews online. I will ask on this forum. And do some research on Electrolux as well, since they seem to be popular here. I saw the Wolf cooktop at Great Indoors. My mother has a Wolf range, but she hates to cook. Lol. OK, will also look for the Capital. Hadn't heard of it until this forum. Yes, found ajmadison and HomeEverything. HomeEverything has slightly better prices, and usually free shipping. Yes, you're right, I couldn't find a published price on the GE Monogram counter-depth anywhere. I have to call or email each site to get the price, and from what you and the GI saleslady said, there probably won't be much difference except for no tax if I buy online. I have accepted that I can't vent with an OTR MW. I will have to spring for an undercabinet hood. Bleah. $1400. Ugh. Loss of cabinet space. Boo. I am thinking that, since I was planning for stacked 42" + !2" or 36" + 18", I will have to mount the MW under a cabinet...h'mmm...maybe I will have to do a mullion door on a 36" or 42", since the 12" or 18" are supposed to be mullion? Thought briefly about putting MW in island, but kids are 6 and 10 and tall, too. LOVE the Kitchens forum. Haven't posted my floor plan yet, trying to get up the courage to post pics of my truly UGLY kitchen. It doesn't look as bad or difficult on the floor plan as it does in the pictures Will check with contractor. Presumably he is up on all this stuff. Never heard of MUA until cooksnsews mentioned it! The GE Monogram ZFSB25DXSS is currently $3825 @ Great Indoors, on sale. I liked it bc it is 25 cu ft and well-planned inside. It looks.like close to the same amount of space that we have in our KA Superba, which we bought 9 years ago and has never given us a problem. I will look at KA fridges, thank you! I need the MW drawer money for the undercabinet hood. Boo. But the fridge isn't in my appliance budget, anyway. Lol.

Try the Jenn-air version of the Maytag

I'm planning on the GE Cafe gas range that cluelessincolorado has for my upcoming remodel. In our former home, we had a Maytag Gemini electric range w/ the double ovens and I really enjoyed having that smaller oven, also. Unfortunately, sounds like the GE Cafe's smaller oven does not heat up quickly, unlike the Gemini, due to the former using only a 110 volt circuit. It's one of those tradeoffs that I have decided is worthwhile for this time around, though. Among other things, the Gemini burner configuration squishes all the burners to one side and puts the controls on top, just to the rt of the burners. I am also trying to avoid having the raised back panel, plus I want the 5-burner configuration this time. Other than that, though, I enjoyed my smoothtop electric Gemini.

I have the whirlpool gold double wall oven with convection and have used them regularly for the last 3 years or so. No complaints. Cook evenly and well. Complaints would be a relatively long pre heat time, and the cooling fan goes for a good 10 minutes after you the the over off. It would be nice to have the grates ride on ball bearings for smoother operation, but I suspect that setup would make it much harder to clean. love the large volume. Can fit a whole thanksgiving feast between the two of them with room to spare. no regrets buying these.