Hi Violet! Here is the link to the AVSA "Most Wanted" list which is on their site. http://www.avsa.org/Library/VintageViolets.pdf It's maintained by Barbara Elkin who was wonderful when I contacted her a few years back. She was the main reason I renewed my subscription at that time. She's only one person so the list is a good place to start. I see the list has grown a lot since. That's why I think when someone has a NOID, we should ask, "What does it look like and where did you get it?" before saying it can't be identified. I agree that they generally can't be identified but there's always an outside chance we might track down a missing one. (I see A. Fischer is the hybridizer of Ballet Lisa which probably explains why they carried them :D) Rhapsodie Elfriede is already on the list, I don't know the difference bet. the original Ontario and the newer one and I would wonder if that might be a lost cause.) Diana in PA

Well thank you everyone for your kind comments ,i agree Lisa i like the soft peachy tones ,those plants are bred from Vr,fenestralis ,all the others have Vr'Milky Way' in them , and Andrew the parentage of Vr'Michelle Cameron' is my Vr'Uluru Sunset' x 'Milky Way' i grew 12 seedlings out the cross and the others are burnt orange tones ,Nev ,there is now not a lot of culling to be done (and that is a problem as you want to keep all ) as the quality of the parents improves ,so do the offspring ,Michelle is a beautifull lady and her husband Mal is a great bloke ,they grow perfect plants and are nice friends , No Nev , i dont farm them out ,though no one would mind i guess ,Hi Yong ,thank you my friend ,Sorry but my vinicolor x your Wer, did not work ,still there is allways next time ,at this stage Yong i do not send out of Australia ,otherwise you would have some ,i have included a piccie of the other plants from the cross of Michelle to show the difference They are nice high coloured plants , 'Uluru Sunset' is very strong ,but 'Milky Way' came through on 'Michelle Cameron ' its now very apparent that you will allways get quality from 'Milky Way' cheers ,Jack

Well it looks like this it the finally list: TODAY'S UPDATE and FINAL LIST OF MEMBERS: 01. ncgardengirl-Fran***** 02. medontdo-Michele 03. markcase1964-Mark***** 04. lgslgs-Lynda 05. misskimmie-Kim 06. conniesc-Connie***** 07. heatherbon-Heather 08. dirtdiggin-Toni***** 09. gardeningbingo 10. grolikecrazy-Chris***** 11. douglasls-Lisa 12. beverlysc-Bev 13. aphroditelaughs-Ellie 14. sissifriss-Myriah***** 15. chellflower-Chell***** 16. mary_grether-Mary 17. poisondartfrog-Alana***** 18. grovespirit-Iris 19. lindaruzicka-Linda***** 20. angelady-Angela***** 21. dimples31312-Dorothy 22. strmywthr3-Barbi 23. smokymist-Cheryl***** 24. jas_il-Jasmine 25. kristlindgren-Kris 26. ishareflowers-Lisa***** 27. purpleacres-Tracy***** 28. countrygirl_sc-Gail 29. fleethart-Fleety 30. hmacdona-Heather***** 31. echinaceamaniac-Clint 32. lakedallasmary-Mary 33. diana_lynn-Diana Lynn 34. smitties 35. ashle999 36. yotetrapper***** 37. mcbdz-Pattie 38. graanieb-Bea 39. sassybutterfly_2008-Wendy***** 40. threeshyacres-Jodi***** 41. blue_ivy-Tola 42. ibartoo-Linda 43. jaleeisa-Kathy***** 44. molanic-Molanic 45. rane_grow-Iris 46.gardenmom2-Nichol 47. southerncharm1-Kathy SC1 48. kilngod-Tina***** 49. luvgardening2-Nancy***** 50. rbrady-Rhonda***** 51. dessieb-Dessie I will be emailing out my address shortly IF you do not have an email from me PLEASE make sure you email me for my address. Thanks so much I am sure we all are going to enjoy this swap. :) Fran

They are supposed to grow true. I just planted 10 seeds a couple days ago so I am hoping to get lots of seedlings from those. From recent reading (and a little help from puglvr)it seems like the champagne are really just ataulfo's. I have not been able to find a concrete answer about whether the ataulfo's are the same as manila's. Some sites say yes, and some seem to say they are slightly different. If you have any luck finding grafted champagne's for sale please let me know. I just bought a seedling ataulfo that the seller claims is a couple years old on ebay. I have not received it yet but I am getting the feeling that it will not be anywhere near as old as he claims. After I commited to buy it one of his previous customers emailed me and said the plant he got from him was only about a foot tall and as thick as a pencil. Good luck with finding one.