How to root tomato sucker branches?
frdnicholas
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Comments (21)Using water crystals for starting the rooting process: This thread of this post is also posted in the main forum so if you read it there, don't trouble yourself to read it again. The cutting has been a branch, above ground, but now we need a part of it to (1/2 ?) transform to a substrate rooting system. Getting them this way before they shrivel up or turn to mush is the challenge, thus I suggest the crystals. Shrivelling up is one of 2 things that I'm aware of 1) lack of water at the root area for too long in warm weather or 2)incapable of transforming to a root system, as would be a too green cutting. Usually these are taken off the end of branches with no matured nubs). People don't necessarily know you can't root this kind of cutting, not reasonably easy enough, so don't assume they screwed you over, ask first next time. Booo on the mush....the dreaded mush. The value of the water crystals is multifold for us. Water crystals don't let chemicals caused from even the beginnings of rotting spread around the container which tends to choke out the oxygen, and creates a too toxic environment for roots to grow anywhere on the cutting. Using water instead of cyrstals? The lesson here is, change your water every couple of days with room temp mineral/spring water and check for mush before it turns brown. See Checking below. With crystals you don't change nothing, you check every couple of days out of curiousity, making sure they are getting their light and you give a sniff - it's not pleasant but you don't smell ammonia (rot) so of coarse you leave them in. The arguement being, the bigger roots there are to start in dirt = the less likely they are to fail. I had 3-4" roots on mine without mush but these are hardier brugs so don't be pushing it with yours - even an 1-2" is likely good enough. I stick mine right in a 2 litre pop bottle for the winter time - Should they get too big - old school is too big a plant for the pot is when the pot is 1/3 the heighth of the whole heighth but there are plants like figs that can get by with a whole lot less and brugs are similiar. I have a 6' plant in a 1' pot but it's not growing much taller...dwarfism/bonsai'd, so you call it. A couple of mine had some mush on one of their ends, I suspect from too much cold exposure(?) over winter while in the bags (sticking out a bit), they were also in a brown paper bag (closed by folding over the top) which I will have to post to clarify as I neglected to mention it, which also helps to keep the temps stabler. The rot didn't hurt the others because the rot stayed local - in the jelly crystals touching them. I simply cut off those end tips and reinserted the cuttings which grew fine (I did see roots coming in above the rotted area so I could of potted up at this time but I was experimenting and not planning to pot them ALL up). In about 2-3 weeks (could be sooner or later)you'll be knowing it's time to pot up. Some would pot up as soon as the white nubbies had shown the transformation to root level stalk. If any sign of mush is showing at this point, (see Checking below)remove the mush and pot up. In this case, you may still lose it, if they are still only nubbies and the tissue is already showing damage and you can't grow the roots in the crystals, minimizing the cuttings contact with moisture further by potting in soil is your last chance. Just keep moist and don't overdue the watering. If you have a water meter, put it in as deep as your roots are planted and take the reading from in that area. Pot up at the exact level that you rooted it at or a little deeper - don't confuse the plant. If those white nubbies on your cuttings aren't growing roots but your cutting is fine, keep them in longer. CHECKING THEM : Use your nose, if you smell something like ammonia, with clean hands, gently lift it out and run your finger down the cutting where it was in the water crystals - if any part is beginning to rot you will see it come off. If nothing slimes off put it back in. If the green outer layer, slides off you have mush, aka rot. If you don't have enough root growth showing, remove that end and reinsert in rinsed out crystals, or just somewhere else in the crystals where the rot did not touch. If you have a show of roots, you should pot up right away. How to rinse crystals is up in this post. If you use water (jelly) crystals, mix the water crystals in the soil to. Any questions? - Sandy...See MoreSucker for suckers (Tomatoes)
Comments (7)The big thing here is the indeterminate (think continually growing upwards) versus determinate (grows up but then just bushes out) on the tomato variety. If you do this to a determinate tomato variety you will absolutely destroy your yield as they have a much more defined period of producing fruit compared to the indeterminate varieties. I prune indeterminate tomato plants and the flavor of the fruit compared to unpruned in the same garden, sunlight, watering and soil was actually rather remarkable. Once the plant gets to a certain size, it starts diverting some energy (specifically sugars) into flowers (eventually fruit) and more stems. If you prune off the suckers on an indeterminate plant, you leave more of that sugar production towards producing more flowers and therefore more and more flavorful fruit. If you leave the suckers on there, additional energy is needed to continue that growth and even more suckers on those branches. You will loose the potential to have more flowers, but eventually these get so full that they block out sunlight and really inhibit photosynthesis. Perhaps try just doing both one season and see which results you like. I live in Central Fl and have not had an issue with the sun scorching my plants or fruit, but perhaps that is a concern to be worried about for you in your specific garden. You will absolutely need to stake them however, they will grow VERY tall with the proper soil and watering! GOOD LUCK!!!!...See Moretomatoe branch rooted in water?
Comments (6)Whether or not a cutting produces fruit all depends on what type of cutting it was. You can only clone productive plants (lots of discussions here about this and how to do it) with indeterminate growth tips (aka 'suckers') NOT with leaf branches or terminal tips from determinate variety plants. Thousands of cuttings that grow into very productive plants are grown every year so yes it can be done. However the cuttings need to be rooted in soil or moist potting mix to form the proper sort of roots. Many of us just stick them in a somewhat shaded part of the garden until they root and then transplant them. Dave...See MorePruned Tomato Leaf Branches Instead of Suckers
Comments (15)digdirt2: But it would be cheaper to just improve your soil so you could plant them in ground. I agree. Unless your soil is diseased, has some crazy pH, or is ALL clay with zero drainage, plants will be more resilient in the ground in your area, even in unimproved soil. You would just need to be more generous with the fertilizer than someone with more fertile soil until you do improve your soil more. But container tomatoes require constant fertilizing anyway, so its not as though growing in containers is an automatic improvement over poor soil. A lot of people who are beginners are under the mistaken impression that they shouldn't need to fertilize in-ground plants. That's false. It depends on the fertility of your soil, and most people who grow in ground fertilize regularly, especially with fruiting vegetables. Those who don't expend a lot of effort constantly adding organic matter to their soil over a long period of time....See MoreKaren Pease
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