Brad I do appreciate the advice. I only have two plants or divisions of YG that are up on my back hill. so far they have been slow to spread. Of course it has only been one full season for one and the other i got in the spring. my guess is the soil conditions.....very rocky....may be one culprit. i do have two small Henons growing back there as well. one gal size. maybe two ft tall. i can barely find them amongst all the weeds....i have to weed every now and again to find them. that back property line for me is about 130 ft across......I think another 5 to 10 divisions won't be hurting me any. that whole area is pretty much unlandscapable. I cut all the threatening trees down that might crash onto my house so all that is left is brush....its even a pain to water up there. I have to keep a hose in place up there. I drug it up in the spring but now i can barely find it lol. This is my main area i want it. If YG is what is working best for me in my area well this is what i want for erosion control. My Original original plan was to create a 'natural fence' because there was no way to get fence posts in the ground. My two Nigras i have on the hill but further down(about 2/3 ft as well). if i ever get to finish phase two of my deck they will reside about 6 ft above where the deck meets the hill. the YG will be about 25 ft further up....I have a couple other spots in the yard that i plan to get ready for diff. sp. Like you said to me way back when i do consider myself a bit of a pioneer as far as trying to grow in my area. Bamboo is pretty scarse around by me. other than that one place down the street from me, i haven't seen(heard) it anywhere but further east or south. I am hoping to get a bit more because i don't know how much more i can get from that guy. I'm hoping the Arrow will do a bit better next year too. 6 ft would work for me but you saw the pic of what i have. I'll give it 2 more years in that spot.....alot of trial and error for me... Kurt

hi, what city? At the price of gas - - - ;( - - -I don't want to drive too far. GH-

oops! should have said HAVE not WANTED. re-posted correctly.

Brass tacks, I totally agree. That is an excellent point. One must know thyself. These days people do not know what they like or dislike. They jump into situations without realization of anythign around them. Fly by the seat of their pants. I truly believe now adays, people have so much in front of them they are blinded or just dont want to deal with things. Like that the commercial ' Easy button' Honest, this day and age things are so easy or made easy. Everything is given to kids, punishment or consequences are rare because of politically correct ideals of society. My parents came from War . They we lucky to have bread on the table. They went to school for education and religion in secracy. Kids just dont appreciate things at all because we have done this to them. We do not teach them. We dont take the time to sit down and drill it into their skulls on morality and consequences. Vivian, you are right. "kids dont have to do it..." i didn't want that to sound like that. That everyone is doing it scenerio. i dont believe that. If your friend jumps off a bridge you do NOT do the same. I believe God gave you a brain. Use it. the topic is living with one another before marriage. We all have our opinions and we all have our reasons to decide what is best for us. Brass tack brought up a very important point. To know what you want and what your shortcomings are as a person. An individual. If one stands on solid ground and knows what she or he likes and dislikes and is open and honest to tell others, we would have less problems in this world. Even less divorces. Now in some cases of divorce, there is abuse, physical psychological. Some people just make honest mistake, people change over time..etc..etc.. But i think for the most part, people just dont try hard enough or give up easy. And they say...ok divorce if i dont get my way. Its a selfish society we live in...me..me..me...what can i get out of this. I just wish people would think of others. ok..sorry. i'm rambling now.