I am not trying to be argumentative, Mark. I have been a novice trader and so have you, and have been lead to believe a plant was 'easy', when it wasn't - I was out a plant AND money. I was just being honest with my experiences in trying to root these cuttings, so a newby wouldn't be upset if he/she traded for the cutting and it did rot. I was merely mentioning that this cutting is not as easy as it sounds to root. You are turning this into a negative when it is meant to be a positive. WHY would this information NOT be relevant? Are you telling me you wouldn't want to know if the possibility existed that it could rot instead of root?

This would probably be the best place to ask that question. http://www2.ville.montreal.qc.ca/jardin/en/propos/scapi.htm

Yep, Tcharles is right - your only realistic option is to go there yourself and collect your own seed. Yucca-do Nursery in TX at least used to collect several of the piñons on their Mexico trips and sell the plants, but last I looked at their website, they no longer had them on their list. Might be worth asking though. Not that collecting your own is any hardship, you get to see mature specimens in their native habitat, and what could be more exciting than that! ;-) Time to go is late October or early November; I was there early-mid Nov., which was a touch late for P. cembroides, P. culminicola and P. pinceana (most seed gone but still some in), ideal for P. nelsonii and P. johannis (cones freshly opening but still full of seed). P. remota ripens earlier, early to mid September. P. maximartinezii is the odd one out on timing, its cones take about 26 months to mature, and open in late summer; I think the locals harvest them in August. Growing piñons from seed isn't difficult; fresh seeds germinate readily after cold moist pre-treatment (couple of months in damp sand at +2°C), and the seedlings are vigorous in their first year (having good reserves in the large seed!). Early youth is much more difficult - they deeply resent any root disturbance, and I lost some transplanting from seedbed to individual pots (if I did it again, I'd use individual pots one per seed from the start). But this risk applies just as much to bought-in plants as to own-grown seedlings. Resin Here is a link that might be useful: Pics and some locations

Do you recall what section of OKC it was in, like East, West, Central, South, North? There are 3 that I recall that were located in older neighborhoods. The first is Horns, on Northwest Expressay. Alas, they closed just last year, after nearly 100 years in business. The second, is Satterlee's on May Avenue, now closed as well. The closed sometime in the 2000's, but I don't recall the exact year. Another, was Warren & Sons Nursery, in Del City, Oklahoma, on NE 23rd Street. They closed in 2003, and ownership transferred to O'Higgins. Not as innovative as Warren & Sons. Mr. Warren carried a lot of rare and unusual plants. I still have a passion vine that I purchased in 2000 from the nursery. There was also one cslled Moesel's, on NW 10th Street, that is closed as well now, I believe, that carried a lot different plants not found in many local nurseries. The only ones remaining in operation now in OKC that could possibly have any interest to me are TLC (one on Memorial and one on NW Expressway), Precure (main store I shop is on NW 63rd Street and Meridian), and Marcum's on the South side. Susan