HarmonyP,I hope you haven't thrown out that poor Paradise rose with the signs of RMV. After all, it isn't contagious except through the propagation process, so it won't spread to your other roses. It is very common among big box store roses and still appears sometimes in reputable nurseries. The serious vendors seem to be taking it seriously and trying to glean it from their rootstock sources and budwood source plants, but its hard to eliminate completely because it often doesn't "show" itself at times. But anyway, RMV tends to, over time, weaken the plant and reduce productivity and resistance to diseases and winter frost, but different roses seem to show varying degrees of resistance. So once you know you have it, you might as well keep the plant as long as it seems to be growing and producing ok. I've had some infected specimens that still produced beautifully for several years. As for vendors, I think it makes perfectly fine sense to do what you've done. I did the same. Early on, I could not afford a lot of expensive plants but wanted to expand my varieties.I've had some great Lowe's roses and even from (gasp) Walmart. But once I got to a point where I no longer had room for many more roses, I naturally felt comfortable being much more selective, and the specialty vendors were there ready and waiting. I just got rid of roses that didn't please me. That was many cheap roses, but also some expensive ones. I don't consider the expense entirely wasted, because I satisfied some curiosity about the variety. I've had a few that were first purchased cheap and then replaced from a serious nursery, such as Chrysler Imperial and Elina. But I've also kept some of those cheapies for many years. One of my best workhorse roses has been Paradise, purchased from Home Depot, which I agree is generally one of the worst sources to buy from. Go figure. The big box stores definitely mislabel much more often, but you know what, I've had that happen from some of my favorite nurseries, too. It happens. One of my favorite roses ever was an obviously mislabeled red rose from Kmart (back in the early 1990s). Even friends with the Mobile Rose Society never were able to identify it, but it was a gorgeous,voluptuous velvety red rose of impressive size --and thorniness. Sometimes those unplanned mistake events turn out to be pleasant surprises. Last year I made one cheap purchase, just for no reason. I bought Chicago Peace for 3 bucks, because I saw it and had already spent what I had budgeted on "serious" roses. It even had waxed canes. It produced beautiful blooms even though the plant didn't seem very robust. I thought I'd replace it with a better Ch. Peace this year, but lo and behold, by November it was starting to bulk up and become a proper bush. So I've given it a repreave for another year. Who knows, I may never have to replace it.

. ARS 2009 OFFICIAL ROSE LIST SUPPLEMENT, NOVEMBER 2009 By Ronald Schwerdt 11-30-2009 . REGISTERED/UNREGISTERED ROSES WITH APPROVED EXHIBITION NAMES (AEN), IN MODERN ROSES 12 DATABASE. 1) Approved Exhibition Names (AEN) Color Classification. 3) ICRA-R Recent Rose Registrations 4) Rose Magazine Registrations (**) Roses not eligible for Dowager Queen. Lists are posted on the last day of each month. THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL ARS PUBLICATION MODERN ROSES HYBRID TEAS: (HT) Ajay HT, pb, 2004 Akoya HT, lp, 2009 Alan Knott-Craig HT, ob, 2009 Amorosa HT, w, 2003 Angel Eyes pb, 6/2/2009, 9-2009 Anika HT, yb, 2006 Anna-Maria Distefano w, 2009 Ann-Mary Ritorto mp, 2009 Ao No Kiseki HT, m, 2008 Ao No Requiem HT, m, 2007 Aquarell HT, yb, 2009 Arc-En-Ciel HT, Rb, 2006 Arielle HT, pb, 209 Arindam HT, ab, 2002 Arthur Rimbaud HT, mp, 2009 Arun HT, mp, 2004 Ascot HT, m, 2008 Baba Jogeswar HT, m, 1997 Bahurupi HT, pb, 2007 Ballade Ddr HT, dr, 1987 Bel-Air HT, w, 1984 Black Cobra HT, dr, 2001 Canadian Sunset Rb, 1996 Carl & Cathrina ob, 7-28-2009, 9-2009 Carris HT, mr, 2009 Catherine Gareffa pb, 2009 Cha-Cha HT, R, 2009 Chambal Di, Kali HT, mp, 2009 Cheerleader HT, P, 2008 Chitrbanu HT, dr, 2008 Christine Lavson HT, pb, Christine Todd Whitmann HT, lp, 1992 Christmas Card HT, pb, 2006 Classic Calcutta HT, lp, 1998 Coffee Break HT, R, 2008 Companion HT, pb, 2007 Concord HT, 2007 Constellation HT, m, 2007 Cosigold HT, dy, 2009 Creamy Eden HT, w, 2005 Dannys Smile HT, lp, 2009 Dark Engagement HT, mp, 2007 Devi HT, dp, 2000 Dino De Laurentiis S, mr, 2009 Diva Swapna HT, pb, Dnynadeo HT, dr, 2007 Dolly HT, mp, 2006 Dvy Joti HT, or, 2000 Ed Yesan mp, 7/28/2009, 9-2009 Elizabeth pb, 6/2/2008, 9-2009 Emina HT, 7-2-06>>>>S, 10/2006 EmmaÂs Rose HT, my, 2004 Emotion Blue HT, m, 2006 Eve Ruggieri HT, lp, 2009 Filiae Regis HT, pb, 2009 Flirt HT, mp, 2008 Flora Red HT, dr, 2006 Florance HT, mp, 2008 Fortunate HT, rb, Fragrance of Fragrances HT, lp, 2008 Freedom HT, dr, 2004 Frenesie HT, yb, 2009 Friendly HT, yb, 2008 Garden Pearl HT, w, 2008 Geethu HT, rb, 2006 Gerri G. rb, 8/31/2009>>>11/10/2009 Gordana m, 7/28/2009, 9-2009 Gov Kidwai HT, dr, 1998 Gracy white HT, w, 2006 Grande Dame dp, 8/31/2009>>>11/10/2009 Green Romantic HT, 2008 Green Sahara HT, w, 2008 Gundis Rose HT, mr, 2007 Harrogate Rose HT, dy, 2009 Hawaiian Duke K. dp, 3/31/09>>>7/2009 Hawaiian Surprise w, 3/31/2009>>>7/2009 HelenÂs Trust mr, 9/11/2008 Hey Dey HT, op, 1997 Honey Trump HT, ab, 2005 Hopes And Dreams HT, op, 2009 Hoshi No Hitomi yb, 3/9/2009 Jamuna HT, mp, 1997 Jaya HT, my, 2007 Jayanthi HT, mr, 2006 Joann Edwards ob, 3/9/2009 Julie Derwanz ly, 11/10/2009 Kusudama HT, pb, 2005 La Perla HT, w, 2009 La Rose Des 4 Vents HT, lp, 2008 La Rose Du Petit Prince HT, lp, 2006 Landscape HT, pb, 2007 Lemon & Ginger HT, ly, 2009 Lemon Silk HT, ly, 2008 Lescho HT, Rb LetÂs Celebrate HT, pb, 2008 Light House HT, w, 1994 Limoncelo S, HT, mp, 2008 Logan Popwell mp, 8/31/2009>>>11/10/2009 Lola HT, lp, 2007 Lonely Heart HT, dr, 2006 Long March HT, dr, 1996 LoraÂs Dream m, 7/28/2009, 9-2009 Loretta HT, op, 2009 Lovely Layla pb, 6/2/2009, 9-2009 Lucifer HT, m, 2008 Ludwig pb, 7/28/2009, 9-2009 Macon Rouge HT, R, 2009 Madhulekha HT, m, 1991 Maid of Dignity HT, op, 1997 Malibu HT, pb, 2009 Manicure HT, pb, 2006 Mansij HT, ob, 2004 Martina Mondadori HT, pb, 2007 Memories are Made of This HT, 2008 Merci Cherie HT, dr, 2008 Miss Satsuki HT, mp, 1987 Modesty HT, op, 2009 Moonshine HT, w, 2009 Moulin Rouge HT, mr, 2008 Mrs Davis HT, w, 1997 Mrs Talat Rizvi ob, 12/17/2007, My Friend HT, lp, 2007 My Hero HT, mp, 2009 Nagpur 300 HT, ob, 2004 Netaji HT, rb, 1998 New Herald HT, rb, 1999 Noble Birth HT, ob, 1997 Omoide HT, m, 2006 Open Sesame HT, mp, 1997 Orange Success HT, or, 2008 Outhime mr, 3/9/2009, 7/2009 Paradise Found rb, 2009 Phoolijhari HT, ob, 1997 Piano HT, rb, 2008 Pierre Cardin HT, pb, 2009 Pierre Tchemia HT, w, 2009 Pina Gareffa dp, 2009 Pink Tower HT, mp, 2006 Platinum Show HT, m, 2004 Preseren lp, 7/2009 Prince Jardnier HT, w, 2007 Radhanath HT, mr, 1997 Rangotsava HT, ob, 2007 Reggae Sound HT, ob, 2009 Rishi HT, rb, 1997 Romantic Julia HT, dy, 2007 Rosa Gareffa ab, 2009 S Pandey HT, pb, 2004 Sachsenperle HT, lp, 2008 Salambo HT, yb, 2008 Samourai HT, mr, 2008 Sanctuary 2007 HT, w, 2007 Sarafina HT, dp, 2009 Sarina Ritorto ly, 2009 Scented Headliner HT, pb, 2008 SecretÂs Out HT, w, 2009 Seiga HT, m, 2009 Shah Alam HT, w, 2004 Shakuntala HT, mr, 2006 Shatabdi HT, lp, 2004 Shwetha HT, w, 2006 Silver Mascara HT, m, 2006 Silver Streak HT, m, 2006 Simply Samantha HT, dp, 2009 Snow Star w, 3/9/2009, 7/2009 Soleil Du Monde HT, dy, 2008 Souv De Baden-Baden HT, pb, 2009 Spirit of Ocean City rb, 1946 St John HT, dr, 2005 St MaryÂs School HT, mr, 2009 Stormie Popwell dr, 8/31/09>>>11/10/2009 Summer of Love HT, pb, 2009 Sun God HT, dy, Super N-Joy HT, pb, 2009 Surina HT, pb, 2009 Swarnarehka HT, ob, 2008 Tblbeta pb, 3-5-07, 4/2007 Thunderbolt HT, rb, 2003 Tomliz>>>>Elizabeth pb, 6/2/2009 Toplesse HT, w, Tropic Snow HT, w, 1993 Tropicana HT, rb, 2006 Ushyoo HT, dr, 2000 Utopia ab, 7/28/2009, 9-2009 Variegata Di Barni HT, 2008 Viswakalyan HT, w, 2008 Viswakumudini HT, w, 2008 White Cat HT, w, 1984 White Perfumella HT, w, 2009 White Silk w, 7/28/2009, 9-2009 WilliamÂs Rose rb, 11/10/2009 Yorkshire Countrywoman w, 11/10/2009 Young Rita HT, yb, 2007 GRANDIFLORAS: (Gr.) Dick Clark rb, 8/31/2009>>>11/10/2009 Sky Dragon mr, 6/2/2009, 9-2009 VicÂs Refrain Gr, w, >>>>>>>>>(S) FLORIBUNDAS: (F) Agnimitra F, mr, 2007 Alabaster F, w, 2008 Allen Phillips ly, 11/17/08, 3/2009 Amber F, ob, 2006 Andrea Follies F, ab, 2008 Anne Graber dp, 7/8/2008, 9/2008 Anne Henderson F, ob, 2003 AnnieÂs Pink F, lp, 2008 AudreyÂs Prayer ly, 8/31/2009>>11-10-2009 Bailando F, mp, 2009 Barbara Davis dp, 8/31/2009>>>11-10-2009 Barbara Stack ob, 7/28/2009, 9-2009 Be Dont F, ab, 2005 Bedfort Jubilee F, ab, 2009 Black Country Pride F, m, 2008 Blues Harp F, m, 2009 Bossa Nova mp,1992>>>>>>>Pol Chic F, dp, 2008 Colorific dr, 10/1/2008 >>>ob, 8/31/2009 Country Show F, ab, 2006 Cristina Lynne ob, 11/10/2009 Deep Impreion F, rb, 2009 Drama Queen rb, 11/10/2009 Elie Semoun F, dr, 2008 Famosa, F , 2008 FatherÂs Favourite F, pb, 2009 FemÂs Rose F, dy, 2007 Field Of Fromelles mr, 7/28/2009, 9-2009 Fifi F, w, 2008 Geroysun m, 11/17/08,>>Grace Mazik Gladys F, dp, 2000 Gladys Quine ob,>>>M/F, ob, 3/2006 Glimpse F, lp, 7/2009 Gold Rush F, dy, 2005 Gold Spice F, dy,2009 Grande-Duchesse Maria Teresa F, pb, 2008 Guardian Angel F, Ly Harquest F, ab, 2009 Henrietta Brnett F, ab, 2009 Hoshi No Hitomi yb, 7/2009 Ichiyou F, w, 2006 IreneÂs Awaking my, 7/28/2009, 9-2009 Jane McGraths F, lp, 2009 Jean Cocteau F, ob, 2009 Jennifer Walters ab, 11/10/2009 Jonathan Tempest ab, 12-15-2008 June Bride F, pb, 2007 Kaoruno F, R, 2009 Kirameki F, or, 08 Klassik F, or, 1990 Laura Elizabeth ly, 10/13/08, 11/17/08, 3/09 Mornington m, 6/2/2009, 9-2009 Lemon Ranuncula F, ly, 2008 MaggieÂs Mauve m, , 11/10/2009 Maihime F, mp, 2007 Mamouche F, m, 2007 Marlene Rawlins mr, 11/10/2009 Merry Maker F, yb, 2009 Midsummer F, rb, 2009 Misaki F, w, 2002 Muskan F, w, 2002 Mutant Charisma F, ob, 1997 New Beginnings F, Op 2009 New Life F, pb, 2009 Olivia Newton-John F, ab, 2008 One Another F, dr, 2009 Parbo F, ob, 2009 Paul Cottingham F, w, 2007 Petra Elyse mr, 3/31/2009, 7/2009 Pink Bouquet F, mp, 2008 Pink Medley F, mp, 2007 Pink Tink Tiara F, op, 2009 Precious Memories F, mp, 2009 Queen Of Hearts F, ob, 2009 Rebellin F, dp, 1994 Red Pearl F, mr, 2009 Red Ranuncula F, mr, 2008 Redeo Clown F, yb, 2008 Romantic Pepita F, pb, 2008 Royal City Rose ab, 7/28/2009, 9-2009 Ryoo F, m, 2006 Salmon Flower Circus F, op, 2007 Shakira Folies F, dp, 2006 Shino F, m, 2005 Singin The Blues F, m, 2009 Striped Frau Astrid Spath F, rb, Sue Dickman or, 8/31/2009>>>11/10/2009 SusanneÂs Rose yb, 8/31/2009 Temari F, ab, 2007 Tony Windale mr, 11/10/2009 Trish Flint mp, 7/28/2009, 9-2009 Tzigane F, yb, 2009 Vanilla Bouquet F, w, 2008 Victoria Joy F, ob, 2009 Vodacom F, m, 2009 White Licorice ly, 8/31/2009>>>11/10/2009 White Sugar w, 6/2/2009, 9-2009 Will Henry op, 3/31/2009- 7/2009 Yellow Changeling my, 10/12/2008 MINIATURES: (Min) Alysheba m, 7/28/2009, 9-2009 Amber Sunblaze Miin, ab, 2009 Ambers Sunset ob, 20/25, 2009 Amonogawa 21st Cl Min, ly, 2006 Annekin rb, 11/10/2009 Bara No Umi Min, m, 2008 Be My Baby dp, 8/31/2009 California Dreaming,>>>California Dreamin Cerise Veranda Min, dp, 208 Charlie Amber Min, ab, 2006 Cioccofiore Min, R, 2004 Claire McCarthy mp, 7/28/2009, 9-2009 Claret Cup>>>>>>>>>>>(Pol) Cool Beauty Min, m, 2004 Electric Lady op, 3/31/2009, 7/2009 Festa Min, 2000 Free Power Min, ob, Garcia Cl Min, lp, 1995 Garden Gold dy, 7/28/2009, 9/2009 Gloria Des Lawranceanas ** Harpeep Min, 2009 Haruno Yuki lp, 3/31/2009, 7/2009 Holly Tred Min, 1990 In Memory Min, 2009 In Memory Of Nathalie Jones 3/31/09, 7/2009 Kiss An Angle Good Morning >>>M/Fl LÂetranhe Min, R, 1996 La Belle Carmen Min, mp, 1999 Lemon Twist Min, my, 2009 Lille Marie Min, ab, 2009 M S Hope Min, ob, 2008 Maddie Kate pb, 11/17/08, Magenta Min, m, Magic Show rb, 7/28/2009, 9-2009 Maman Ichiko dr, 7/2009 Minelli Patiohit Min, 2004 Mr Gavin Min, dr, 2005 Nabaramani Min, or, 2003 Noir Min, dr, 1996 Orange Veranda Min, ob, 2008 Pink Veranda Min, mp, 2008 Pinocchio Min, yb, 2009 Pom Pom Veranda Min, lp, 2008 Purple Prose m, 11/10/2009 Red Gem dr, 6/2/2009, 9-2009 Renegade rb, 4/8>>>>17/25, 9/14/2009 Roma Min, mr, 2007 Rose Minimo Min, mp, Ruby Ribbon Min, mr, 2009 Scintillating Blues Min, m, 20 Sheer Silk Min, w, 2009 Shion Min, 2004 Simply Sally Min, pb, 2009 Smoke Rings ob, 8/31/2009 Sugar Rose Plum pb, 6/2/2009, 9-2009 Sundust Min, my, 2001 Sweet Emotion Min, ab, 2002 Sweet Heart Min, ly, 2000 The Lighthouse dy, 8/31/2009>>>11/10/2009 The North Stars pb, 3/9/2009, 7/2009 The White Lady of Rufford yb,7/2009 Thelma Lou M/F 2009 Tom Delahanty pb, 5/11/2008 Velvet Kordana Min, 2007 Violet Cloud Min, m, 2009 Yametsu-Hime Cl Min, pb, 2008 Yukiko Cl Min, mp, 1991 MINI-FLORA: (Min Fl) Abby Leonard rb, 7/2009 All American Girl>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>All-American Girl, mp, 9-10-2008, 6/6/2009, 7/2009 Baldo Villegas w, 7/2009 Barbara yb, 7/28/2009 Bran New Girlfriend m,>>>>>>>> >>Brand New Girl Friend >>>9/10/2008 Byzantium ly, 7/2009 Chubby Hubby yb, 7/28/2009 Coat Of Menny Colors m,>>>>>>>> >>>Coat Of Many Colors 9/22/2008 Cole Miners Daughter pb, 9/22/2008>>> >>>Coal MinerÂs Daughter Daddy Frank dr, 7/28/2009 Flower Power Gold dy, 17/25 Flower Power Gold M/F, dy, 2009 For Mickey dp, 4/24/2009 Ghost Rider M/F, 2009 Gladys Quine Min Fl, ob, 3/2006 Grace Mary Rose ab, 8/31/2009 Grand Old Opry yb, 8/31/2009 Janet Inada ob, 11/10/2009 Judie ab,, 7/28/2009 Kiss an Angel Good Morning m, 7/2/2009 Kristen Jennifer pb, 11/17/08, Lee Greenwood American Patriot >>> Lee >>>GreenwoodÂs American Patriot Lesley-Anne Cl, mr, 11/10/2009 Lo & Behold dy, 3/31/2009>>>>>>> >>> Lo And Behold, 7/22/2009 Lynn m, 7/28/2009 Mamacita m, 11/10/20090 MontyÂs Joy m, 6/6/2009 Mrs Zakia Mahmood Rizvi yb,>>>3/9/2009, Paula Smart rb, 11/10/2009 Powerhouse or, 2009 San Diego Sweetheart ab, 3/31/2009 Shawn Sease pb, 4/8, 4/25/2009 Spirit Dance ob, 11/10/20 Step Up dp, 7/28/2009 Supernatural ab, 6/2/2009 Tabasco Cat or, 7/28/2009 The White Lady Of Rufford yb,7/2009 Thelma Lou Temp AEN, 2009 CRL Wel0409 >>>Blue Suede Shoes LARGE FLOWERED CLIMBER (LCl) Bellavist LCl, lp, 2007 Charles Pugh LCl, 2009 Chocolate Sunday LCl, 20-22, 2009 Gardeners Glory LCl, dy, 2009 Giardina LCl, mp, 2009 Helenia LCL, my, Hommage AÂSoupert &, Notting m, 2007 King Rose LCl, Orange Crush LCl, or, 2009 Perennial Pink LCl, mp, 2008 Perennial White LCL, w, 2008 Pride Of Venus LCl, ly, 2008 Purple Splash m, 8/31/2009 Randilla LCl, my, Sunsational LCL, Mr White Star LCl, w, 2009 POLYANTHA: (Pol) Bossa Nova Pol, mp, 9/2004 Claret Cup rb, 1962>>>9-2009 Gay Vista lp, 1957>>>9-2009 Karez Pol, mp, 1996 Pookah dr, 6/2/2009 Shiyoo Pol, m, 2000 Shugyoku Cl Pol, or, 2007 CLASSIC SHRUBS: HYBRID MUSKS (HMsk) De Tous Moi ** HMsk, w, Dinky HMsk dp, 7/2009 Hedi Grimm HMsk, w, 3/9/09,7/2009 Jean Stephenne lp, 7/2009 P.S. I Love You HMsk, w, 3/9/2009 Rivers Musk Cluster ** HMsk, 1846 RobertÂs Ondrous Ruthie mp, 3/9/09, 7/09 White Erfurt HMsk, w, 1931 MODERN SHRUB: (S) Abbotsford S, pb, 2005 Ambassador Nagomi S, Archbishop Desmond S, mr, 2008 Armand Ventilo S, dp, 2009 Ayanishiki S, yb, 2006 Belle DÂEspinouse S, rb, 2006 Bonita dr, 7/28/2009, 9/2009 Bridesmaid Bouquet pb, 4-8, 2008 Christophe De Combejean S, rb, 2005 Earl Parsons rb, 7/28/2009, 9/2009 Eleanore Cruse S, 2007 Elegant S, lp, 2000 Elodie Gossuin S, m, 2008 Emina S, rb, 10/2006 Emma G yb, 7/28/2009, 9-2009 Erika Hofmann S, ab, 3/31/2009 Famy S, 2004 Florenzia S, rb, 194 Frauke S, pb, 1993 Fun Jwan Lo ** S, w, Gateway S, mp, 2006 Gay Vista lp, 1957>>>>>>>>>>(Pol) Generation Jardin S, dp, 2009 Genesis S, ob, Gerald Van Der Kamp S, 2005 Helga S, w High Voltage my, 2009 Hikoboshi S, dr, 1997 Jabulani S, ob, 2009 Jean Geldenhuys S, w, 2009 Kashmir dr, 2009 Konig Etzel S, w, 1990 La Jago S, yb, 2006 Larissa S, lp, 2009 Le Plessis Robinson S, mp, 2007 Lemon Splash S, my, 2009 Limoncello my, 8-10, 2009 LoverÂs Blush S, pb, 2009 Merry Melody S, pb, 2009 Miracle On The Hudson S, mr, 7/2009 Nelson Montfort S, ly, 2009 Night Ryder, pb, 9/08>>>dr, 6/2/09, Nina S, ly, 2008 Orange Etoile S, Ob Orchid Legacy S, m, 2008 Parky S, w, 2009 Paso Doble S, mr, 2009 Passion Of St Peters S, rb, 2009 Paul Brooks S, 2006 Peaceful Habitations>>>Meredith Bohls Pink Home Run S, dp, 3/31/2009, 7/2009 Pink Lady S, mp, 2008 Pink Sakurina S, mp, 2006 Pink Supreme Flower Carpet S, mp, 2007 Pinnatifide ** S, mp, Precious Hearts S, rb, 2001 Premier ** S, w, 1866 Princess Dawn S, m, 3/9/2009 Red Medley S, mr, 2008 Roisin Ruddle S, ob, 2004>>>Ron Ruddle Romantic Ruffle S, Lr, Saffron Summer S, my, 2009 Saint Benedict w, 7/28/2009, 9/2009 Sandra S, op, 2000 Sir John Betjeman S, mp, 7/2009 Snow Star S, w, 2009 Snowcup S, w Soft Knockout S, lp, 2008 Stadt Rom S, mp, 2006 Striata ** S, rb, Surprise S, mp, 2006 The Hever Castle mr, 7/28/2009, 9/2009 The Wainwright Rose S, w, 2009 Tomopel pb,>>>9/2008>>>dr, 6/6/09 University of Pretoria S, m, 2009 VicÂs Refrain S, w, 1/27/08, 5/2008 White Patio S, w, 2008 Wichtel S, w, 1994 William P J McCarthy mp, 7/28/2009, 9/2009 Wilplan S, 2005 Wilsue S, mr, 2004 Wisley 2008 S, lp, 7/2009 Young Lycidas S, dp, 7/2009 Yume Otome S, pb, Zaide S, mp, 2009 HYBRID KORDESII (HMoy) Nouvelle France pb, 11/10/2009 HYBRID wICHURANA (HWich) Guirlande Rose HWich, mp, 3/9/2009, 7/2009 OLD GARDEN ROSES MISCELLANEOUS OGR: (Misc. OGR) WilsonÂs Worchester w, 4/7/2009 MOSS & CLIMBING MOSS (M & CL M) Joy Singer M, m, 9-11-2008 Treasure Trial M, op, 7/2009 HYBRID PERPERUAL (HP) Adesugata Hp, 2002 Babel Babylon Hp, ob, 2008 CENTIFOLIA (C) Gerda Nissen C, Mr HYBRID CHINA HCH Yue Yue Fuen Ch, mp, Patron DÂOrleans Ch, Dr HYBRID HGAL (HGal) Poitevine G, mp Ramblers are no longer an ARS classification. No temp. AENÂs DiggyÂs Rambler R, 2006 Ernest Anderson R, Christine Helene R, ly, 2007 Kirschrose R, lp, 2006

I confess to being completely baffled by this question. From my perspective, it's no contest. As Donna Karan once wrote about women and the statement they make to the world thru their fashion: "It all starts with the legs." When a woman with pretty legs puts on nylons, she transforms herself from an ordinary member of a rather dull species (homo sapiens) into an exotic creature from another planet. That's all it takes, and sorry girls, but nothing does it like nylons. Nothing captures light and sinuous shape like a leg in nylons. Thanks heavens, some young women are starting to figure this out. In contrast to those who are, a starlet in bare legs - especially in a period movie - looks positively ridiculous, and we see it all the time. As Matt Damon said in a movie recently (to a gal in sheer black nylons) "When you wear those, I'm completely defenseless." Why is it that European women understand this implicitly, yet American women seem so clueless? European women wouldn't be caught dead walking down the Champs Elysee in bare legs. If I see two women walking down the street, one with bare legs, one wearing nylons, there is NO question which one I'm watching. It's a statement about herself, her sexuality that render her one of those exotic creatures. It's that exotic quality - not nylons per se - that is so powerfully attractive, and nothing conveys that exoticism more definitively than a woman's legs in stockings.

With not much experience growing herbs i agree it is best to pot the mint. And keep the 'runners' that reach out of your pot from touching the ground...they will grab the soil and put out roots in a mater of days. Just cut or pinch off and use those cuttings. The basil could be potted as well. It needs all day sun or at least the most sunny spot you have. It likes a sandy, well drained soil. Does not like to be too wet or slogged. Potting it will allow you to move it if needed as the sun moves toward winter and makes it easier to bring it indoors...it likes full all day southern exposure and will thrive in a window. Oregano is very tolerant and will grow easily once established. Like sage it will keep contained all on its own and become a small shrub. Mine come up every year without talking to it. (both freeze well) And drying is an option. I use my food saver for most thick-leaf herbs. pureed with olive oil and frozen in cubes for tender-leaf ones. My gardens are not tamed per-say. I like a bit rustic, but i have been organic gardening for many years and know individual needs by experience. I've made plenty of garden 'fouls' but some happy accidents. My mints are running wild but in spots that i don't mind...and when they miss-behave and start to crawl, i mow them back. They have become a companion to my groundcovers in heavy clay soil. The GW herb forum is a fun place to stop by. Especially if you get the gardening 'bug'. : ) -herbs are much different fresh. Use less, experiment. They can overpower and make a sauce taste like a bottle of perfume. Yet so good in summer italian dishes when used sparingly.