Victory is a part of a collection and Parade is a different collection from the same cultivator.
I always thought that if a rose has different Reg.name also has to have some form of differences in it's growing habits even if it's a small difference.
Parade collection
Victory is lower on the left side of the page.

mrlike2u,

None of these roses are registered. Poulsen does not register their roses. They do trademark names, and then use them over and over, but they do not register them. Thus none of the names of roses in the Parade and Victory lines are registered. Just wanted to clear up that point.

phil_schorr I don't see anywhere in my comments nor do I recall me asking any question. Ditto I just wanted to clear up that point as the same point can also be easily seen in the link provided.

To ask a question, I think the poster may of meant to ask.
Are the intentions of Poulsen theirs and theirs alone thus they can use any rose that has the same TM in a different REG collection, and as well they can use the same TM rose with a different TM in a second REG collection.

Are you sure that Poulsen does not register their roses ?

I'm sorry if I misunderstood your earlier post. This one may not directly connect with your posts either, but it is information that bears directly on registered names.

There are two different things often referred to as "registered". They are quite different and can lead to confusion if not carefully defined.

The registration to which I was referring was registering a rose with the International Cultivar Registration Authority - Rosa, which is the American Rose Society. This registration puts the rose in the historical record for roses internationally. It also makes sure no other rose can be registered using the same name. However, it has no control over sales names. Roses are often registered using their code name, or varietal denomination, and their sales names are just listed as synonyms. Thus Veterans' Honor (aka City of Newcastle Bicentennary, Five Roses Rose, and Lady in Red) is registered as Jacopper.

The second registration is acquiring a registered trademark for the name. This is the source of the î symbol following names. This comes from the government and supposedly insures that no one else can sell a different rose using the registered trademark name. However, it does not keep the company that trademarked the name from using it for more than one rose. Poulsen, Kordes and others spend a fair amount of time and money registering names with the European trademark authority, and they feel they need to use them often to get the benefit from it. Thus they both do sell more than one rose using the same trademarked name at the same time. I am not aware of any cases where they used more than one trademarked name for the same rose, although I suppose it is possible.

Adding confusion to the situation, some companies also trademark the collection names. Thus you could have a rose with a trademarked name being sold in a collection that also has a trademarked name. They could sell the same rose with the trademarked name in more than one collection with a trademarked collection name, or they could sell two roses using the same trademarked name - one in each collection. But no one else can use any of these trademarked names.

Finally, the rules say if you register a rose with the ICRA-R, you cannot trademark that registered name. Or if you trademark a name with the government, you cannot use that name to register the rose with the ICRA-R.

Life would certainly be easier for all of us if each hybridizer would only use each name once, and no one would try to use a name someone else already used. However, that isn't the world we live in.

I see in the fourth paragraph a stray "A" got in there along with the registered trademark symbol. Please disregard it. Apparently the program being used here has problems with symbols from my character map.