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2012 Lopsided Lumpy Garden Part One and Little E

12 years ago

Lol, the roses are showing what a nasty, evil person I am. I have a loooong history of shaking my fist at stingy *ss Cornelia, whining about how little my antiques and Climbing Oklahoma rebloom, and falsely accusing my favorite rose Lincoln for being stubborn and prideful in not coordinating with the bloomtime of Folklore....Well, I'm eating Crow now, lol! So here they are.

My King Leonidas Rose, the Lincoln:

Royal Sunset: I absolutely love this rose because it is the only apricot that seems to be able to keep its color in our blasting heat and scorching sun. It was 92°F today and it's only April 24, for goodness' sakes! This has never occurred in the 35 years I've lived here.

There these last 2 photos show how there is no telling with Royal Sunset on how the blooms will end up looking like...

Before Shot--

After Shot--

Climbing Oklahoma:

1st Bloom on Okie--

2nd Bloom on Okie 3 days later--

Folklore:

The Cluster:

Cornelia: This series is ordered by date. Last one is an evening shot.

Paso Doble black striped seedling from 4th of July

Clementina Carboniera-- last set until Part Two

Climbing America and Anna de Diesbach are starting to open up. Once these finalize I will let everyone rest from my Lumpy photos on this particular thread, lol!

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dublinbay z6 (KS)
12 years ago
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Isn't it amazing what these early spring gardens look like? I still can't get over so many roses blooming 6 weeks early!

Love your Folklore pictures--what a lovely rose. And Cornelia is definitely looking good. Hope she has learned her lesson about playing nice with the other roses--blooming at the right time, in this case.

Kate
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jim1961 / Central Pennsylvania / Zone 6
12 years ago
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Lincoln is looking quite dashing! Folklore blooms look nice and bright! All your roses look great this year!
And of course I see Eluane the camera ham...lol
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Awww, thanks so much Irisgal! Yes, I love visiting nurseries too, because I'm always comparing fragrances! I am obsessed with fragrances, hee-hee! But OGRs cannot be found in my local nurseries and neither can the rare hybrid teas, so it's having to rely on HMF ratings all the time. Lovemysheltie, when you have the chance I would love to see your Sheltie. A rose grower who has such a wonderful name must be such a loving, fantastic owner as well! My neighbor a block away has such a handsome, calm wonderful-natured Sheltie. I also have a very close dog agility friend who lives in Chicago too! We can be Lincoln and herding dog pals :D and smiley face! Lincoln will be 7' tall. some people say he will get up to 8' tall, but I think that's because they have old Lincolns. I don't think Lincoln will get to be 8' tall until maybe my 5th or 6th year-- at most he will be 7'6" from what I'm observing-he's just too busy blooming like crazy and the more a rose blooms the slower the height change. I forgot to clarify that pruning when Lincoln goes dormant or just-after-winter pruning is fine, you always want to get rid of weak wood. But once the bush has been cleaned up, don't ever severely prune during the active growing season. If you just do standard 5 leaf-cuts he will be able to maintain the "long-stemmed roses" type-of look. Cheers!
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HarmonyP, oh, that is sooo cute! You'll need video of Dusty too! Videos are wonderful ways to capture all the wonderful memories! What a Sweetheart Dusty is! Our beloved animals live such short lives so please take tons of photos, get video up too :D Oh, yes, I definitely agree, HarmonyP. Border Collies are not! Pet dogs, they are extremely time-demanding, very needy dogs, because their nature is to be commanded and to work with sheep all day long, to continually think and assess "on-the-field", and when you try to change and mold that out, you make a dumber animal and the best qualities of the BC will be forever ruined.... Kippy, I actually feel blessed that we are talking about Border Collies, because as you can tell, even with HarmonyP we start out with one concept then we realize and change our minds once we understand all the ramifications. Agility is extremely popular and too few people understand why the B.C. is an "endangered" breed. Kippy, I do have AKC papers- I compete in AKC, there are 2 wonderful AKC secretaries I know of, there have been some really sweet AKC judges too! but the problem is that no one realizes that AKC does endorse puppy mills and this must be stopped. If we can at least get this practice changed, what a difference this can make!! I do hope Karen will eventually change her ways and no longer allow non-stockdog folks to breed Border Collies. It takes decades to really understand and know these animals and to accurately test for the very best genes, and you always have to go back to their original roots, have strong relations with the Sheepherding community, I mean the REAL Down-to-the-Earth working folks. Only working with livestock can the Border Collie's original intelligence remain intact, and even amongst those that herd for a living, only the best should be bred, anyway. A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY. I used to think the best sports collies to only be bred (one litter at the maximum) per year to a really good stockdog and only if that agility person had national placings and had strong friendships and tested out their Border Collies with herding, but after reading about Contact Point, I understand now why the sheepherding community cannot trust us agility folks EVER! Karen's failure to give non-breeding contracts to anyone besides the stockdog community is a major failure, plus the misrepresentation of what is a working Border Collie. Once you fail to breed your generation back to the stockdog lines (one parent always! has to be a really good/sound stockdog-the other tested) you immediately lose or water down the Best genes. You cannot breed unless one proves oneself worthy of breeding by the stockdog community, you have to do real on-the-field herding, not just hobby-herding, every pup has to be neutered that goes out unless it's a working stockdog. If anyone wants a B.C. be sure you are ready for all the responsibilities- go to the B.C. Boards and ask for help, advice and for references on who is a good breeder, and promise/sign a contract to neuter. Anyone who does not ask for this contract is not a reputable breeder. I learned the hard way- Eluane was my 1st dog/my first Border Collie. The horrible breeder of Eluane is Nightshades Border Collies. Poor Eluane was so ill from all those worms and parasites!
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Carol, it's so wonderful seeing you back at our Gallery! We miss your sunshiney presence I've been noticing wonderful sweet Debbie/Dovesong, has very occasionally posted too. I'm hoping that your roses flourishing will help keep you at the Gallery! Boxo came back so that I can happily stalk his Garden to my heart's content, lol!.... Carol, I hope your Lincoln is continuing to do well. Mine are 10' awkward giants, yeeeeeeks! Speaking about all our Rosie friends who inspire us, my Folklore and Broceliande was because of Markiz, Distant Drums was a gift from Jim, I got Compassion and Viking Queen because of Florence, I got Purple Beauty, Coronado, Typhoo Tea because of Beth, I got Marchesa Boccella because of Krista! :D HarmonyP and Carol, yes, Border Collies are sooo graceful and smart and beautiful the way they work sooo hard and want to please their owner. They always want to be by your side accompanying you, and in their eyes you are the Shepherd and they need to be told what next new goal to accomplish.... And oh, that intelligence is just amazing. HarmonyP, yes, the debate against Border Collie pet breeding is a very! serious issue, and yes, I do think it's appropriate to get on a soap box about this. BCs should never ever be bred save to breed for that intelligence, that keenness and sensitivity and love for work and never, ever! for looks or prettiness. Owning a B.C. comes with a heavy load of responsibility and dedication. They are not! a hobby or just-for-fun dog. Carol, many females have better biddability and are easier and faster to train because of this sensitivity factor; whereas sometimes! males because of their huge strength and size just become too independent-minded and on their-own-track of thought. I will ask my friend Pam which ones win more at trials-- male or female. She attends lots and lots of trials since it is her profession. Hehe, here are my final sets of photos, Rosie friends! Troika HT: Viking Queen Climber: Don Juan Climber: Royal Sunset Climber: And some new companion planting photos: As you can tell from Little E's photo, it's really hot in Kansas!!!
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Folks, I forgot to update that 2011 is the Year of Camera Experiment. I used to have to wait for the perfect lighting either dawn or sunset, lol! and with certain roses they'd mushroom out and lose their spirals by then, haha! So this year I started messing with the manual settings of my Canon Rebel XSi. I sent these to Jim first to look at, lol! The Ralph Lauren Cover Boy model for the camera is Jim's Baby Napoleon Distant Drums :D 1. Here is the default Sports setting 2. Here is the TV setting of 160 with the wrong fluorescent instead of the sunlight setting but still kind of cool 3. Here is a TV setting of 250 with sunlight setting 4. Here is my favorite TV setting of 200 with sunlight setting I also forgot to demo my frustrations with how HTs mushroom out into moppy blooms with open stamens in the heat... and when it gets cooler HTs start to "normalize"; not quite there but better... I also forgot to show 2 more blooms. Crepuscule is going to be shovel-pruned next year. It started out as a 5" band and grew to be a 6' tall rose, but after the first winter it had to be cut down to a 7" rose from which it never regained much vitality afterwards. It doesn't have quite enough scent for me to have patience. Only highly fragrant roses get coddled in my garden, lol! Another rose, Aromatherapy. This rose is highly fragrant and the color is the perfect deeper bubblegum pink that is slower to fade. But it is highly BS vulnerable and requires a lot of Gardenville sea tea to keep it healthy- way too expensive to sustain, lol! It is coddled because of the fragrance. I may replace it in a few years with Laguna if a friend from England likes her Laguna. I would replace Aromatherapy with Belinda's Dream which is HT PERFECT in bloom form! but the pink is not the deep pink alas!
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Krista_5NY
12 years ago
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Your roses look wonderful, Serena, great pics, and so colorful. I love the pastel swirls of color on Clem Carboniera.

I like the abundance of blooms on Cornelia, the Hybrid Musks are so much fun to grow.

Eluane looks like she enjoys the garden, she must be happy with spring here.
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bethnorcal9
12 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Gawjus blooms dahling!! MR LINCOLN and OKLAHOMA are to-die-for! FOLKLORE... mmm... yummy!! And wherever did you get that PASO DOBLE? I love it! I want it!! And that Eluane... always photogenic!!
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hosenemesis
12 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
I see that Eluane is a camera hog too. I can scarcely get a photo of the yard without Samantha's butt or nose in it.

I really love the color of Royal Sunset. The mix of apricot, salmon-pink, wow. And that last rose is a romantic one for sure.
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serenasyh
Original Author
12 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Thank you Beth, Kate, Jim, Krista, and Renee!

Yes, Kate, it's been crazy how hot the weather got! Did you get the 88 degree and the 92 degree temps that we got in Kansas City? Yup we are 2 months ahead on EVERYTHING this rose season, bloom times, BS times and yes, even the bugs. I saw the dang cucumber beetles feeding when they should have come out in June, not April, lol! Oh, well, at least the blooms still look so cheery.

Folks, Anna de Diesbach is still in Limbo, but here is Climbing America:

The America Climbing Rose Cluster--

Krista, Eluane sends you her puppy kisses. She and I think she's the prettiest thing in the garden, lol! Actually just to clarify, Renee and Jim, Eluane is not the camera ham, it's actually my manipulation! Pets live such short lives so I try to take as many photos of Little E as I can to reassure her that she still is very important to me... So I actually place her in the photo by calling her to me and holding up her frisbee and ball. That makes her smile otherwise she would be sitting several yards away watching quietly, lol! she is a fantastic gardener's dog, very well-behaved and gentle around plants.

Hehe, Renee wrote:"I can scarcely get a photo of the yard without Samantha's butt or nose in it." Well, we'd love to see Sammy anyway....I like to chase Eluane around the house saying Puppy Butt, Puppy Butt....

Everyone, Frederic Mistral bloomed! it was a big surprise; I was so busy looking at the backyard and only Cornelia in the front yard, lol! On par with what Renee said about Sammy's nose, here is Eluane's nose and! her face behind F.M. haha!

Beth, did you know so many Rosarians depend on your beautiful A-Z rose alphabets for the most unusual and rare roses, lol! I had to go to HMF several times to look up your Coronado rose and the Typhoo Tea and the Purple Beauty. They are FABULOUS...So any droolfest over the divine and the rare we depend on you....I will soon receive all three of those roses too! They will ship out this Monday. Oh, I almost forgot, Beth, Paso Doble is a baby climber from a baby seedling... The black is very consistent and very beautifully spaced with the black stripes and black speckling! It's from Linda at Long Ago Roses and it has scent too! A very cinnamon sweet scent.

Jim, I will soon email you photos of how tall Lincolns are and why people keep mistaking them for climbing roses. They are actually almost as tall as the soffit right beneath the rain gutter of the roof's baseline.... I have to bend down the canes about 3' to photograph the blooms. The first photo of Lincoln shows that roof soffit (I have ceiling tall windows Jim)...Here is another photo I just took today which shows a bent rose that still is so high that you can clearly see that roof soffit proximity.

Here's one more of Folklore:

So all that's left is the final closer of Anna de Diesbach!
She's got 40+ buds on her but they just aren't opening!! Hurry Anna!!! we need to finalize Part I in our Lumpy Garden!!!!!
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ginni77
12 years ago
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Your roses are gorgeous. I haven't been to the rose forum in ages, used to be a regular. Your rose photos made it worth the trip!!! Love your Freddie and your Folklore. Amazing!
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jim1961 / Central Pennsylvania / Zone 6
12 years ago
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More great roses Serena! Ok on tall skyscraper Lincoln...lol
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serenasyh
Original Author
12 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Hi, Ginni! and thank you! Please come to the Rose Gallery! We would love to see your roses and it's like having tea and company! We can talk about pets, stuff in our lives, and gardens, gardens, gardens....

Ginni, Frederic Mistral actually was inspired by a rose friend Cyndy Perez....She has the most gorgeous Freddie and why I got him in the first place. And Folklore is one of those wonderful HTs that look good no matter what...I have even more photos of him that ended up even nicer but I have to hold back, lol! My photos of repeat plants is getting pretty obnoxious. I wish there was a way to eliminate and swap out photos on the same thread like the way one can do at Peter Beales forum but sadly Gardenweb does not have this swapout editing feature....

Thank you Jim! Haha, about skyscraper Lincoln, but the terrible irony is with our horrid gusting winds, one of my Lincoln's giant canes is now leaning over like Leaning Tower of Pisa now! I hope he straightens out soon. I can't put up a support pole unfortunately!!!! There seems to be a solid cement block underneath which I can't get through AAAAARGH!

Anna is still not cooperating with me either- the opening flower remains tightly closed at the center! But geee, in my locale she is truly turning out to be a lavender pale bluish purple rose. Her color is supposed to be an intense mauve. Last year as a potted baby, she was a hot violet pink, but not in 2012, that's for sure....She is ground planted and fed coffee grinds, maybe this is what's changing her color and form. It almost seems like a completely different rose. I'm not sure how she'll turn out...I'm still waiting for the open blossom....
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inga007
12 years ago
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Lovely blooms, each and every one, but the first Folklore is absolutely beautiful.
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seil zone 6b MI
12 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
I see your "lopsided, lumpy" roses are gorgeous at usual, Serena!
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jim1961 / Central Pennsylvania / Zone 6
12 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Two years now and I'm still looking for lumps...lol
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serenasyh
Original Author
12 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Thank you Inga and Seil! Seil and Jim, actually the roses are no longer getting lumpy unless they are being fried by the thrips or the blazing hot sun or if extreme winds are messing with them....However, my garden is still a lopsided. clumsy horror, lol! with lumpy wire mesh against the Evil Furry Fiends (Rabbits).

Folks, Anna de Diesbach finally has started to bloom.

Here is Cornelia going at full blast.

Here is another Royal Sunset.

and another Folklore.

Here is poor Viking Queen. During thrips season (which is starting already) she gets massively attacked and to combat the thrips she tries to bloom extra tiny and hides the blooms under her foliage...Here are some of poor VQ's blooms...

Well, this is the last of my Part One Lumpy Garden. Royal Sunset, Climbing America have about 15 blooms left per plant, Anna has 40 more buds to go and Compassion is starting to open but I really need to give people a break from my Lumpy Garden thread, lol! Anna is supposed to be the closer, and she delivered! Hurray for Anna!
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jim1961 / Central Pennsylvania / Zone 6
12 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Awesome more roses! They look great Serena! Darn thrips!
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TNY78
12 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Glad I went back to find your thread! Love so many of yours, but Paso Doble (sorry I; know I'm spelling that worng) and Folklore are my favorites! Also, very jelous that your dog poses for pictures with your roses, none of mine listen worth a darn outside!

Tammy
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zeffyrose
12 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Your roses are gorgeous--I especially love the deep red ones---Many years ago I had a Mr Lincoln and he was always a favorite--

Ginni77---is that you from back in the old days???---didn't you have a different name in front of the 77?---
Serena--keep the pics coming--

Florence

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NewGirlinNorCal
12 years ago
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Your Cornelia is amazing- I hope my little unknown polyantha (Anne Marie de Montravel?) looks that good someday!
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ginni77
12 years ago
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Hi Florence, yes, it's me! How are you doing? I haven't been here, except to read, for a long time. I used to go by TopperFan77 in the very beginning but then changed. I was a local hockey fan and Toporowski was my favorite player. When he left the team, the name seemed kind of moot. How are your roses growing? Mine are doing wonderful this year.

Serena, I also have a question for you...how tall does your Folklore get? I have that rose and was wondering what to expect.
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serenasyh
Original Author
12 years ago
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Thank you soooo much Jim, Tammy, Florence, NewGirlinNorCal...

Florence I actually have to rebring in your link of Viking Queen to my friend in South Africa. She is drooling over VQ and I've already pre-sent a link to your thread a long time ago posting on how beautiful VQ is...Mine is very prolific, but the flowers are very small compared to yours so I always show your thread as to how VQ is supposed to look...
VQ is not available in South Africa, so she asked for cuttings last year. So it's time for me to repost "apologizing" that my VQ doesn't look near as wonderful as it should as in yours(thrips force VQ to explode with multiple small blooms by strength of numbers instead of huge blooms like yours)....

NewGirlinNorCal, we are looking forward to your photos of Anne Marie de Montravel! I loooove the rare roses!

Tammy, the Anna de Diesbach is actually in the Part II thread. I was going to post her to coincide with Eluane's birthday....

Ginni77, we love having you return, as Florence says... whereas many of us are newer. I've been here for about 3 years. This is such a fantastic place for Tea and Company! And yes, you can talk about hockey all you want! :D Heck here I talk about Eluane and her dog agility, haha!

Ginni, Folklore is still a relative youngster in my garden (I got him mid-May 2010) but I can already tell he's gonna be a BIG rose!!! He's own root, and his first year, I thought noooo way is he going to live up to the 8'-10' reputation that the grafted Folklore has....His first year in my garden, he was a humble 3'8" tall rose...This year, he is fast catching up with my skyscraper Lincolns lol! I have no doubt that Folklore will likely end up over 7' tall by the end of this year.
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zeffyrose
12 years ago
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Hi Ginni----I couldn't remember the "topper fan" but 77 and Ginni rang a bell---nice to see you back here where it all began----my roses are starting to bloom----can't do much gardening after two hip and 2 back surgeries but I'm happy to be able to walk and enjoy the blooms----
Serena---my original VQ is not doing well but the one out in "Elba" even though neglected is doing OK--hope to get some blooms even though the area is now quite shady-------
I'm happy you enjoy the pictures ---she is a beauty---

"Elba" is what I call the back corner that used to be DH veggie garden ---I use it to put roses that are not doing well instead of shovel pruning them---because of my health problems it is now a neglected weedy patch ----but the roses seem to thrive--even in the shade
Maybe I will get some pictures this year----Please keep your pictures coming----they give me much pleasure
Florence
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