Another fellow traveller here! I am strictly an ornamental gardener, but am in the process of converting myself from an insatiable plant collector to a ruthless editor of plants in pursuit of a landscape that is calmer and has some open space. The landscape design process was the key for me. The plants used to control me, limiting what I could do in the yard because "this plant needs to be there." But as we ran out of room to do anything in the yard besides tend plants, it became too much and we had to sit back and say "just what DO we want this yard to be? Let's build it." We did it one section at a time; didn't do an overall plan beyond general ideas. In the process, plants became something we use to achieve our ends, rather than ends in themselves. We didn't change everything, but what we did was give ourselves permission to even consider moving/removing each of them. The question "what would I do here if I hadn't done anything yet?" is fabulously liberating. It's actually surprised me what I've ended up moving and what I've left in place. For example, I am really disappointed in Heptacodium, a shrub or small tree that has some features. I wanted to remove it years ago but have not touched it yet because it has just achieved a size that offers significant shade, and I can appreciate its leaf drape even if I find its flowers overrated. But I don't feel frustrated by the tree anymore because I've chosen to keep it. It costs nothing to let yourself think about alternatives. You needn't redo the whole property, maybe just a section or two. Just give yourself permission to consider what YOU want to do now. KarinL

I garden in Ohio clay as well. As stated, it is extremely fertile and if you think about it, this state abounds in its lushness and green. Clay isn't all bad. The fact your rock garden is on a slope is your ace in the hole. I don't care how compact and course clay seems, the drainage issue is solved. It drains! Being in the Appalachian foothills, I can say that there really aren't many level areas on my property and the area in which we installed our rockery is rather steep. It was the dumping area for coal ash and cinder from the furnace and it is also underlain with a spring or two. What was once the problem area of the landscape is now a rock garden, because we knew that was a good way to utilise all the qualities of this area and turn those sows' ears into silk purses. I love how it lends itself to a rockery. Some of the clay soil even gives way to grey horse shoe court material. You could throw pots from it. Of course the major thing to remember with clay soil is to wait the magic number of days after a rain when it has reached the optimum level for digging. Too soon and it is slime and too late and it is concrete. It is hard to be that patient, but hey it develops character in a gardener. Then choose your plant material wisely. Some plants actually do just fine in dense, clay soil and prefer it over the soft, friable and moist loamy stuff where they get too soft and leggy and lank. Good Luck!

I called her and asked why she planted that way and she went completely off on me, telling me I'm "far too critical" of her work, and a long, unhappy confrontation ensued, telling me about her forty years of experience, how she doesn't like irises because the blossoms are too short-lived, etc. etc. That's sad. I'd move them now. I'm not sure where you are located. You can add your zone and state abbreviation in the one box provided for the garden zone. see I am zone 5/6 S IN You can do that via the Member Pages link in the green banner at the bottom of any page. It will then show on your Member Page and show automatically each time you post. Taken from the FAQ here If you have the room, plant your rzs about 2' apart with no other plants nearby to overgrow them and compete for soil nutrients. You can also plant 3 separate rhizomes in a triangle 1' apart with the leaf fans facing outwards to produce an instant clump effect. I'd just let her know that you happen to know a thing or two, at least about irises and spacing them. Let her know you are in touch with lots of iris growers/lovers (as we are here). If need be, and you don't think it will upset her even more, maybe print out that FAQ and show it to her. Seems she might 'think' she knows it all, as a result of years of gardening. I know several gardeners who have gardened a 'lot' longer than I have, yet they know a lot less about so many things. Maybe she just needs to be left to weeding, and then I would be careful of what all she might pull and destroy. Sue

I just had to save this LOL thread from the Southern Gardening Forum...it goes with our Compost Wackos thread. Enjoy... * Posted by Eddie_GA_7A (My Page) on Sun, Mar 14, 04 at 14:02 You Know You're A Redneck Gardener When...... ...you edge your flower bed with beer bottles. * Posted by: Feather_Inc z8 AR (My Page) on Sun, Mar 14, 04 at 21:19 hahahaha, there was a big discussion about edging a flower bed with empty wine bottles on junk gardening the other day. * Posted by: WannaBGardener 8b & 4a (My Page) on Mon, Mar 15, 04 at 9:52 ...you sit your old comode (toilet) on the front lawn and plant petunias in the tank. Then chain your old coon dog to it and let him use the bowl for his water dish. Very up scale. :-) * Posted by: CheriG22 FL Z9 (My Page) on Tue, Mar 16, 04 at 7:31 ...you cut v-shaped chunks out of tire rims, turn them inside out, fill it with dirt and grow tomatoes in them.....they look like crowns, and some folks even paint them white to make them purty! * Posted by: ccoombs1 7B SC (My Page) on Tue, Mar 16, 04 at 12:12 Another fine use for those old tires...cut them in half, paint them white, and edge your drive way with them! Lovely! * Posted by: nature_lover_ga Thomaston Ga.z7 (My Page) on Tue, Mar 16, 04 at 14:38 ...you convert your junked conversion van into a greenhouse. * Posted by: BDnBAMA 7/Alabama (My Page) on Tue, Mar 16, 04 at 15:16 ...you move your refrigerator and the grass underneath it is yellow * Posted by: heather_arch 8NC (My Page) on Wed, Mar 17, 04 at 12:34 ...you cut those tires in half and line a couple up in a row - looks something like the Loch Ness Monster. (white paint is optional) * Posted by: Rosie NE Georgia 7A/B (My Page) on Wed, Mar 17, 04 at 23:10 ...you use your clippers to turn the old water heater into the perfect planter. * Posted by: TSmith2579 Z7B/8A-Alabama ) on Wed, Mar 17, 04 at 23:26 You know you're a redneck gardener when... ...you plant the driveway and sidewalk beds with collards and poke (sallet) weeds. ...you run out of drinking glasses during canning season. * Posted by: Dieter2NC z7b NC (My Page) on Sat, Mar 20, 04 at 22:10 ...you think a spatunia is for used 'backy juice ...you think fertilizer is an awful fancy word for what you clean out of the barn. ...you dont get around to canning because you value your 'shine in those jars more than any amount of canned okra. * Posted by: DaisyMae43 Alabama (My Page) on Tue, Mar 23, 04 at 18:55 ...your favorite dish is okry 'n maters * Posted by: TSmith2579 Z7B/8A-Alabama ) on Wed, Mar 24, 04 at 16:12 ...your garden "to-do" list starts "fill a cooler with ice and beer". ...you always attempt to identify people who come into your garden before shooting at them. ...you know it is time to change the bed sheets when they are the color of you compost pile. ...the centerpiece of your dining table is that armadillo you shot last summer. ...your choice of a wedding gift is enough veggies to make a pot of soup. ...you send your wife for gasoline for the rototiller and tell her to not forget the can of Skoal and a case of beer. (Wanted: Attractive woman for marriage, 30-60 y/o who can cook, clean, wash, iron, fish ,hunt, skin critters, tan hides, plow, plant, hoe, can and freeze veggies, owns her own fishing boat and rototiller. Please send picture of boat and rototiller.) * Posted by: Josephine_SC 7a -SC (My Page) on Sat, Mar 27, 04 at 7:14 ...all your mulch is full of dog wallows and your yard looks like it's been shelled * Posted by: FoxesEarth z8b (My Page) on Sun, Mar 28, 04 at 9:22 You know you're a Redneck Gardener when your suntan is face, neck, just below the elbows down, and to just above the knees. * Posted by: Eddie_GA_7A (My Page) on Sun, Mar 28, 04 at 13:39 You know you're a redneck gardener... when you sell whirlygigs out of your front yard. * Posted by: girlgroupgirl 8 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 28, 04 at 14:02 Or when your yard decoration is a pink wooden pig that says "OINK IF YOU LIKE BBQ"! * Posted by: Robin_northtexas z7 dfw tx (My Page) on Sun, Mar 28, 04 at 17:38 You know you are a redneck gardener if... you have whirley gigs in your yard (I do) and an airplane made out of beer cans and you show it off when company comes. * Posted by: Eddie_GA_7A (My Page) on Wed, Mar 31, 04 at 20:56 You might be a redneck gardener if... you're still finding Easter eggs from last year. * Posted by: reesebug Zone 8, S. AL (My Page) on Thu, Jun 17, 04 at 16:21 ...your goats are eating this year's crop. * Posted by: merriss TN (My Page) on Fri, Jun 18, 04 at 11:50 ...your hubby thinks the best "mulch" in the world is the "stuff" he just cleaned out the barn...fresh!!!! True Story!!!! Cheap, also! * Posted by: savannarose z9 GA (My Page) on Sun, Jun 20, 04 at 16:52 ...your neighbors use their wrecked demolition-derby car as an improvised greenhouse(true story.) * Posted by: CaseysMom 8b (My Page) on Tue, Jun 22, 04 at 22:54 ...you drive by the neighbors house just to check out how tall their okra is... ...you know that teepees mean greenbeans, not Indians. * Posted by: Twinkle 7 GA (My Page) on Wed, Jun 23, 04 at 11:29 ...you wear pantyhose to keep the chiggers off. * Posted by: savannarose z9 GA (My Page) on Thu, Jun 24, 04 at 18:40 ...you use roadkill for fertiliser. * Posted by: vicki7 z7 N.Ga. (My Page) on Mon, Jun 28, 04 at 8:45 I don't know if it is redneck or not, but the first thing I thought of was... people who prune azalea bushes into perfect, round balls. * Posted by: aisgecko 7 (My Page) on Mon, Jun 28, 04 at 19:31 (No, the round azaleas aren't redneck... just plain wrong! Let the poor things be.) ...you know you're a redneck gardener when you design your flower beds around the old cars in the front yard. * Posted by: MellieH z7 GA (My Page) on Mon, Jun 28, 04 at 23:03 ...when a huge tree uproots during a storm and instead of cutting it into logs and getting rid of it you plant flowers in its roots. I actually have a neighbor who has done this. I nearly ran my car off the road when I saw the flowers growing out of the giant root ball. * Posted by: TheCaretaker z7b S. Cobb,GA (My Page) on Wed, Jun 30, 04 at 5:51 ...you put white plastic garden edging like a little fence 'round the edge of your truck's flat bed, then pull it up next to your trailer: voila! Party deck! I also nearly ran off the road when I saw this. :) ...you're also a redneck gardener if you're regularly tossing aside car parts, home repair detritus, and cans as you cultivate. After examining each item for possible utility, of course! * Posted by: ladybug24 z8 AL (My Page) on Wed, Jun 30, 04 at 13:46 You might be a redneck gardener if...you have "hundreds" of artificial flowers in your flower beds instead of live ones. And when the flower beds are full...they start sticking them in the links of their chain link fence!!!! * Posted by: nanahanna a8 AR (My Page) on Wed, Jun 30, 04 at 17:03 You might be a redneck when you find a new(er) bedroom suit and put granny's old iron bedstead out front and plant flowers in the center of it! Yee Haw! (told my husband I would kill him if he did this after we actually saw it on a trip a few years ago) * Posted by: live_oak_lady Zone 9 (My Page) on Thu, Jul 1, 04 at 20:23 nanahanna, that is called a true "flower bed". I have seen that in central Mississippi. * Posted by: Renee_Z8a 8a (My Page) on Sun, Jul 4, 04 at 15:59 Great thread! There's such a flower bed in a trailer park in our town. The bedframe is spray painted the loveliest shade of bright yellow! :0) * Posted by: savannarose z9 GA (My Page) on Mon, Jul 5, 04 at 8:58 ...you paint a sunflower on your giant-sized satellite dish in the front yard of your trailer. * Posted by: jessay3 SE Georgia (My Page) on Tue, Jul 6, 04 at 11:53 Please tell me you havent really seen that savannarose. * Posted by: savannarose z9 GA (My Page) on Tue, Jul 6, 04 at 18:36 Yes, indeed. The satellite dish(big, huge variety) was known as the West Virginia state flower. (Duct tape was otherwise known as West VA chrome-used to hold bumpers on cars, etc.) These names were only used in EAST Virginia of course! * Posted by: jessay3 SE Georgia (My Page) on Wed, Jul 7, 04 at 20:00 Thank goodness it was in West Va! I didn't want that to pass around the internet, poor Georgia has a bad enough name now for being redneck capital! I got one for you! You know your a redneck when you have to weedeat the front yard because your dear husbands two riding lawn mowers AND his push mower are broke! True story, I did this yesterday! * Posted by: savannarose z9 GA (My Page) on Wed, Jul 7, 04 at 21:26 Sounds familiar. We had 2 tractors, a bush hog, a garden tractor with a rotary cutter (walk-behind Gravely) and a Stihl weedeater and my yard was still full of tall grass and weeds. Now I do it myself with a $99.00 Walmart pushmower. Works great! * Posted by: live_oak_lady Zone 9 (My Page) on Wed, Jul 7, 04 at 23:28 ...you have flamingos, turquoise dolphins,and the Virgin Mary statue all on the small front porch from which Christmas lights are still hanging, topped off with a patriotic sign and a college football banner. I have to look across the street at that everyday. Hope she doesn't read this forum. * Posted by: botanicalwonders 8a MS ) on Fri, Jul 9, 04 at 2:25 ...you might be a redneck gardner if you plant poison sumac in your flower bed... I actually have seen this and talk about it to all my horticuture friends.. I saw it in Greenville, Mississippi... I still laugh about it. It was not the staghorn variety. * Posted by: Pappa z8 WaxahachieTX (My Page) on Fri, Jul 9, 04 at 23:47 You might be a Redneck Gardner... ...if every vehicle you own, including your riding lawn mower,is equipped with its own CB radio. ...if you've ever struck a match to kill the smell in the bathroom. (Then there was the lawyer who stepped in manure, and thought he was melting...) * Posted by: jaceysgranny 7aAR (My Page) on Sat, Aug 14, 04 at 18:51 ...if there's a bathtub smack dab in the middle of your yard planted with flowers. * Posted by: dancingdachshunds 8/9 SC (My Page) on Fri, Aug 20, 04 at 16:36 ...when you turn a (big) satellite dish into a fountain for your garden. I saw it!