Hi everyone I am sorry I've been busy. And I forgot about the thread too. But I am glad too see a conversation sparked up. Well my creepers are dormant at the moment central florida get chilly . I will post some old pics . The tree from this post didn't grow much but it has been chugging along. Cadillac your trees roots are awesome. What I am going to do this year is let my creepers grow unchecked and start the cut and grow technique . Owen Reich commented on another forum I mess around with. He told me to cut back each branch to two nodes . I will get more pics up soon.

Yeah, I glossed over and omitted that...probably shouldn't have. My main point with the ethylene is that it's a germination inhibitor for some things (melons/lettuce) and actually helps other things (impatiens)...outside of the rooting effects. Also, I prefer synthetic IBA/IAA/NAA/GA/etc (depending on the cutting) for important cuttings because willow water has an indeterminate amount of IBA (as well as SA) for the home gardener. Too much IBA in a solution can slow things down or be more detrimental than using nothing at all. 2500-3000ppm IBA in rhododendrons is wonderful for rooting and root ball size...5000+ppm can easily cause rooting problems and failure. Rooting a bunch of stuff you're not on a timetable for or you have a lot of source material...sure, willow water...rooting those few cuttings of plant material you don't have a lot of source material access or you need to get it rooted with assurance...I'm going for controlled hormones. ...seed germination, though...I'd check to make sure (if you can find out) that ethylene inhibitors don't disrupt it's germination.

Thanks. I have so much of it I've got to figure out a way to use it or lose it. A friend suggested that perhaps I could freeze it. I also read somewhere that ww will stay fresh for a year or longer if you refrigerate it. I wonder if that's true. I'm afraid if I leave it in the fridge, I may someday think it's tea, add sugar, drink it and sprout roots.

Hey Songbird, I found a great resource online a few years ago for seed starting. Some seeds need darkness to sprout (like when they're buried in the ground) and some need light (like they're laying on top of the ground). Some need warmth and some need coolness. So I found several websites that had copied a document Thompson and Morgan used to print, with a long table of plant species and what their light and temp requirements are. One version of it is at the link below. Also, I started sprouting my seeds by putting them between two moist paper towels and sealing them in a ziploc bag. Sometimes they sprout overnight this way! But of course, some take longer. If they need warmth, I pile several ziplocs on top of a heating pad (usually set on low, but put a thermometer on it to make sure it doesn't get too hot!). If they need dark, I put them in a drawer. You have to watch them every day, because if they sprout fast and you don't plant them right away, their little roots can start to penetrate the paper towels and will break when you pull them out (that doesn't necessarily kill them -- depends on how much broke off). Actually, I have a long post on this at my personal garden blog. It has photos, too. Here is a link that might be useful: Seed sprouting lists