Dear dixieboy,I noticed in your eastern N carolina pics that there are two Phoenix palms in front of a house on each side of a walkway.What type of Phonex palms are they,and do they require any extra protection in winter?I live about thirty minutes west of Atlanta,and I very much like the Phoenix type palms.All I read about them say they wont live here,Its to wet and cold in winter.Thats why I grow Pindos Palms(there pinnate palms)Its the only one that I know of that will take our wet,cold winters.I dont know, are you considered the same zone as me?My favorite alltime palm is the Canary Island Date Palms.Pindos is as close as I can get to them,as for as what Ive read.If you can answer my questions It would help me greatly.Like the pictures.

Really nice and healthy palms. It seems like they are in a solid warm zone. Is this in south eastern NC?

Great pics. They look like they are deifinatly zone 8b-maybe 9a worthy. I especially like those canary island date palms.

Thanks for sharing!

Butiaman, just like the last photo they are CID's, the palm in the last photo has been there for a few years now & get's no protection that i know of. Atlanta, Charlotte, Greenville, & Birmingham & cities inland are not quite as mild as are the coastal areas of the SE. I would imagine Phoenix palms would be quite a challenge for your area w/out heavy protection. Butias are good w/out damage here until about 14 degrees or so.

Thanks, yes, the pics were mostly taken in the southeastern part of the state but the coastal areas are good until just north of Hatteras where the gulf stream & bodies of water are less effective. This is part of our place on the north central inner coast.
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The last photo has a CIDP? Wait, yes it does! I thought it was a pindo! I didnt realize how warm the costal carolinas are. CIDP palms are rated 8b at best and they seem to be doing really well in north carolina.

Thanks again for the pics (your backyard looks nice too!).

Here are washingtonias etc. on our central coast in the vicinity of Morehead City.
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I have seen pictures of CID growing in Atlanta,but I have never seen one in person.If they will live here I bet they have to go to alot of trouble to protect them in winter.Ive been looking on the internet for diffrent Butia palms besides Butia Capitatas,I can find alot of info.but no place that sells them,buy the way I only had to protect my Butia Capitata for the first two years in the ground.After that I dont mulch are do anything else to help it through winter,and its doing great.I bought 2 more(three gallons)and I will do the same thing I did for the 9yr old one for the frist two years.Does anybody know where I can buy different Butia species,for a good price.I can buy all the Butia Capitatas I want from HD for 12bucks for (three gallon)sizes.I see them at nurserys on the internet for much more.can anyone help?

Occasionally they have some nice ones on ebay. I think I remember seeing a Butia yatay at 3 gallon size for maybe 20 dollars off ebay, but havent seen it more than ocne or twice in the past year. They have some seedings off ebay though, and some mail order websites also have different butia species in seedling size.

good luck

I saw a Phonex Palm growing very large at the ferry that takes you between cape Hatterus and Roacoke Island NC.

I noticed many of the date palms here along the gulf coast are turning yellow and looking thin, I'm not sure of it's disease or some type of deficiency.

Good to see you posting here now dixieboy, this board has been lacking a North Carolina presence.

It's my understanding that Phoenix palms are famous for yellowing because of manganese deficiency in sandy soils.

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Wow, that washingtonia couldnt look any better. It is clearly no longer in a protected area (as it is the tallest thing in the picture and exposed in every direction) and its still doing great. They are definately zone 8b-9a palms and that looks like it has been there for a long time.

It must be pretty near the coast to be doing that well though.

Yes, its a thriving beauty. I have seen many photos of that part of NC loaded with palms and it is where the natural zone of no winter protection for cabbage palms begins.

that "Natural zone" for no protection has moved up more north over the past 4-5 years def. no protection needed for cabbage palms in Va Beach. We useto haveto but not anymore, but that specific part of NC is a little better during winter...

This is one of our 5 sabal palmettos & we are apox. 100 miles north of Wilmington but protecting these palms here are unheard of, it was a small container plant when i set it out.
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Great pics. I also like the crepe myrtle. They are becoming pretty common by me, but I havent seen any as street trees yet, just some on peoples lawns (some around 10-15 feet tall, but still somewhat young).

Also, I remember seeing pics of sabals being mummified to survive in virginia beach, but I dont think its really necessary, they probably do it as a precaution (and im not sure they even do it any more). I think sabal palmettos are pretty good going (with some protection) up to the delmarva penninsula. Once you get into maryland they are very rare to find though and by the time you reach deleware and southern new jersey they suddenly become non-existant. I wonder if they would make it in the cape may area (with a ton of protection of course). They would look very nice along the beach!

The thing i look for in S.palmetto is the fullness of the crown. If they are not suited for a climate they never will develop or maintain that rich fullness to become the beautiful tree that it is.
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I have even seen some in florida that are overpruned and never reach that true beauty they have when they are left to naturally grow. Those palms in your pics are very full and look great!

Hi Everyone,

Interesting debate of the line of demarcation for sabals along the east coast. I would love that line to continue moving north and here's a few thoughts.

Years ago (1995) Virgina Beach barely had any palms, along the coast I visited the winter wind was too strong "some" years. I could have guessed a mile from the shore they would have done better and indeed Palms have caught on and are doing better. As street trees, by the Spring they appear to me to need help(colder years), but as yard trees they do well. The pindo palm is relatively new and catching on well also.

One may measure a "natural" line of demarcation to see if the palm can successlly bloom and have seeds grow. TZ7 has a good point that they may be able to survive the delmarva penninsula, but that's within microclimates (against a house or building). For me its amazing more people have not tried it.

Usually you see them planted on beaches in the north(maryland, del, Jesey, even Long Island) and they do not make it - 1, because cold wind, 2, temps temps too low too long.

However, I theorize that we may be able to have cabbage (sabal) palms survive in our better sheletered microclimates (in those areas) with winter proetcion from wind. Against a tall house with a heated basement for example. During milder years it would not need protection.

T7 I beleive correctly pionts out many of the cabbage palms north are not that large (except Laura in VB) with rare exceptions. She's an expert and knew where and how to cultivate best. With that know how it is very doable - but for regular folks planting along streets, I am not sure the natural line is that far north.

I do not mind to be proved wrong about this.

Part of our collection, most of all grown from seed or small containers
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I will try to post pics. of VB somwtime this week because a pic. is worth 1000 words...

thanks dixy, looking forward to some great palm pics :-)

dixie boy i bought a washingtonia palm from that nursery with the canary palm,is that in southport?

That is correct.