My setigera has 5-leaflet leaves. They are down fairly far, but they are there. There are also thornless forms of setigera, though I seem to be growing only ultra-thorny ones here. Remember, there is going to be a certain amount of variation between individual plants. This is probably a seedling, not a clone like the usual garden roses. So the picky little details of thorniness, stipule shape, stipule color, etc. will have natural variations.

My JJ blooms as often as most of my HT's. , but it is a gangly branched thing. Here it is ( about 6-7 years old) with lots of buds that will be lovely....just too late for the party that I cut it back for. Ah well. Cut back several in Oct., just a little too late. He did not bloom as well this year in our hideous heat. Can only think I didn't hand water enough, and the sun was too hot at times. I'm in so. Ca. coastal/ 6 hours sun. I adore the sweet scented , big apricot blooms. Poor pic trying to get all the many little buds in the pic. I'm betting these blooms will not be so large. Is it the cold nights? I see this often in my autumn blooms. Still, my neighbor's bed faces west, and hers are summer- lovely. My sun is eastern. Well, that's another topic. JJ is worth your patience, imo. Good luck!

Here mulberries come up on their own and I just chopped down about 6 that just came up a couple weeks ago next to my basement door. They were already taller than me. We thought we had killed it, but apparently it was just waiting. For the rose, it is hard to tell by the leaves, but they require at least 6 hours of sun to bloom. It may not have bloomed because it was overshadowed by the mulberry. Since the rose is coming back with a vengeance with revenge in its heart, it could be a multiflora, especially since it spreads like bubonic plague. I think the leaf count is off for that, but not sure. Unfortunately you will probably have to wait until it blooms to get an ID. Where are you located? Here in my area roses will be blooming until November or December. If it is a reblooming rose, you may get blooms this year.

The hips are beautiful in winter r. Glauca has beautiful grey foliage Fall foliage and hips of r.Mulliganii Tiny foliage of Bergundian Rose Complicata hip Beautiful foliage of Edmond Proust