Thanks everyone, it is good for me to face up to the truth, pot too small! HereâÂÂs my plan: to grow miniature climbing RainbowâÂÂs End in a pot until it gets too big, then put it in the ground. It comes only as a band so pot will be fine now, just $7.95 + priority mail from Burling Leong at Burlington Roses, no great fortune to try this. See picture below. I have a place just off the concrete that has lots of sun higher up but is too shady at ground level, shadows from trees and buildings. Judging by a 1 yr growth pic of this rose on the internet, it might be tall enough in 1 yr to go in the ground and get the sun it needs. Goal: plant it in the ground next spring after early blooming wild gladiolus has finished blooming and has not yet died back to the ground and disappeared from view. Last yrâÂÂs pic below dated 3/29/12. I do have the place marked but it will be easier to work on if I can see what I am doing. Might work? Thanks, Trospero, for saving me from a mistake. Thanks, Christopher, love the idea of Yellow Sweetheart, which I wish I could grow. Thanks, Jerijen, space below will be much cooler than concrete area where I was going to put the pot. Thanks, Seil, here is the spot. I am listing plant names to give you an idea of the light, which is much brighter higher up. Wild gladiolus and culinary ginger (dark leaf in middle) can be moved, native monarda fistulosa beebalm at left and liriope at right are duplicates and can go. Wooden support post to climb on just to left out of view, all support posts are in buried concrete which takes some space away from the plants. I can wrap wire around post & train rose. One concrete sidewalk in front of gladiolus and another sidewalk just barely visible as gray concrete area to the right, 2 ft square area for rose but probably good soil underneath concrete sidewalks. Possibly big enough? Thanks again, everyone, esp. for your patience since I have gotten OT from antique roses, much appreciated! River

There are (or were) the likes of Coquette des Blanches, Louis d'Arzens, Madame Alfred de Rougemont, Madame Gustave Bonnet, Lady Emily Peel, Coquette des Alps, Madame Francois Pittet, Perle des Blanches, and surely others I'm forgetting from just Lacharme. Geschwind's 'Marie Demar' strikes me as belonging in the group as well. The problem is finding any that are still available in the US besides BdN, CdB, LdA, and Marie Demar. I've read in a past thread that Ashdown offered several rarely found Bourbon-Noisettes, but Rogue Valley has not offered them despite receiving Ashdown's stock upon closure. I hope they are planning on releasing them someday, but that seems unlikely at this point. Jay

There are several interesting gardening activities for volunters being run by bostoncates.org. Some require attending an orientation session and all require registering in advance. It looks like a great organization. Here is a link that might be useful: volunteer ops at boston cares

I do want to add that the Seven sons flower that I mentioned above has never flowered, at least not a good show that I have ever seen good enough to notice since it is in mostly shade. I have a couple of Hazelnut shrubs, they've been planted here for about 5 years, the shrubs look great, but, I've never gotten any darn nuts from them, but, just for looks yeah, Hazelnut shrubs will do fine in shade. And I have "Japanese Rose" shrubs or "Kerria Japanica" shrubs, that will bloom yellow flowers in mid spring, they are easy plants to grow, they may need watered in the first year if you don't get much rain, but, after established, they are care free, they may even bear baby plant eventually if they like where they are. But, those Kerria Japonica shrubs will flower quite nicely in shade.