they arent look alikes ... they are the same plant ... even worse

17 years ago

they aren't look alikes ... THEY ARE THE SAME PLANT ... even worse than look alikes!!!!!!!

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i wrote this in the 10 foot post:

devon green is a nice plant .. that has about 6 names... canadian shield .. DG .... etc.. isn't it the all green June or something like that ... EVERY tc lab of the great mom .. registered the all green TC .... what a nightmare.. i think i bought 4 of them under different names before i was informed .... or i am mistaken .. lol ... it is unique for sure.. but might not be a ten footer if i am right about the name problem ...

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then i followed up with this:

ok i was close ...

devon green is an all green plant from halcyon .. which is the parent of june ... go figure .. not completely brain dead ...

it is presumable the same as

canadian shield

kyrptonite

peridot

valeries vanity ....

go figure... i have them all .. what a waste .. money i wish i now had .... knowledge is power.. go figure... ken

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go figure .. thought the info might be buried too deep in the other post.. so i started a new one ....

can you think of any other situations like this ???

how about all the named striptease sports ...

all the SS sports ....

any others????

ken

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newhostaaddict
17 years ago
this will be a good source of reference ken....glad you started it....as i don't really want to buy the same hosta that has multiple names....

i think,,,,,geisha and animachi are the same??

jill
playinmud
17 years ago
Haku Chu Han is Silver Kabitan and Shiro Kabitan.

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if you have pix of the look alikes.. please add them ....ken
ademink
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uh oh...hosta dictator is taking over the kingdom!!!! lol

i dont have pix of both...b/c i didnt buy both. do you only want "real" pix of them or can we borrow from the HL?
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17 years ago
Here is my list of potential "same plants" or "look-alikes". Do you think they belong? Do you want to add?
I am open to discussion, debate and additions...

Moonlight / Patriot's Fire
Kryptonite / Canadian Shield / Devon Green / Peridot / Valeries Vanity
Halcyon / Canadian Blue
Toku Aureonebulosa / Blue Shadows
Paradigm / Darwin's Standard / Brother Stefan / Lunar Magic / Lunar Orbit / September Sun
Lakeside Cupcake / Warwic Comet
Peanut / Lakeside Dot Com
Great Expectations / Summer Joy
Summer Serinade / Mid Afternoon
Sum of It All / Titanic (inferior)
Clifford's Comet / Revolution
Fire and Ice / Loyalist
Antioch / Moorheim
Piedmont Special / Tyler's Treasure / Satisfaction / Shadowfax
Liberty / Clifford's Forest Fire / Magic Fire / Majesty
Dream Weaver / Thunderbolt / Dream Queen
Deja Blu / Woolly Bully / Bolt Out of the Blue / Blue River
On Stage / Choko Nishiki
Patriot / Minuteman
Northern Halo's / Northern Exposure / American Halo
Moonlight / Patriot's Fire
Opipara / Bill Brinka
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Teresa_MN
17 years ago
Everytime this discussion comes up I post my photos of my Tok Aureo and Blue Shadows. I got them both in 2002 from Savory's. The are in the same bed and get the same amount of sun. Tok Aureo is taller than Blue Shadows and the leaves are larger and more round.

Here they are last year. They may be the same plant but they don't perform the same in my garden.

Tok Aureo

Blue Shadows
hostarox
17 years ago
Buff, what a list! I agree with most, with a few exceptions.
You can't compare plants like Lunar Orbit and Sept. Sun to Paradigm, it has a higher vein count, better substance, and nearly white flowers. Plus it's one of my fav's lol
Moonlight gets larger than Patriots Fire
Warwick Comet gets larger than L. Cupcake
Fire and Ice is smaller than Loyalist, harder to grow, too.
No clue why you put Blue River in with Deja Blu
I think Minuteman is a better plant than Patriot, at least in my garden here, plus the center is a bit darker.
It's been established that Opipara and Bill Brincka are one and the same.
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Anyone else care to chime in?
jerry_br
17 years ago
Is Brother Stefan really like Darwin's Standard, Paradigm, etc? I don't have it, but from the pictures I have seen it looks to be, but pictures can be deceiving.
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moonlight and patriots fire .. go figure ... ken
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Teresa_MN
17 years ago
and you planted them together?
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I'm finding this very interesting as I try to pick which ones to order this year. I ended up ordering Patriots Fire and Moonlight in the same year. Planting them in different conditions helped show off a difference. Moonlight is in mostly shade. Patriots Fire get quite a bit of midday sun. My Moonlight also seems to have rounder leaves. See the picture below. I'm very curious about Brother Stephen since it was near the top of my list for this year. How like the others is it? Last year after carefully, I thought, looking at everything I ordered I ended up with Holy Mole, Saint Paul, and Lakeside Shoremaster. They all looked just about the same to me. Over time, they will change - maybe?

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arcy_gw
17 years ago
This answers an issue I had last year. I knew some of these hosta were not "different". Thank-you for your insights. I feel so much better, and I am keeping this list in my records for future referral!!
ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
Original Author
17 years ago
BUT ... there is always a but monkey .....

you CAN NOT COMPARE IMMATURE PLANTS .... they may look alike for years ....

and then all of a sudden .. 5 years down the road... zoweee ... you wonder what you were thinking .... the problem being that the newest and best ... HAVE NOT BEEN GROWN TO MATURITY before being cloned in TC ..... so nobody really knows what it will look like in 10 years ...

learning the heritage is the key ... sports aside ... if mom and dad are from completely different plants ... they cant be the same ..... mom/dad will also tell you what it will develop into in the future... size e.g. ...

now sports.. see above regarding devon green and all the same plant with different names.. they are PROBABLY the same plant ... only dna testing is going to say otherwise.. and nobody in their right mind is going to pay for that ....

ken
ademink
17 years ago
ken....do you change the color/saturation/whatever on your photos are are the plants really that color? nice!
User
17 years ago
I would like a list of hosta that look like Summer Breeze. While hosta shopping, I have seen some that I though looked the same ... however I don't have a list of names yet. Any suggestions?
ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
Original Author
17 years ago
i usually change the gamma and/or brightness .... since my 69 dollar camera isn't the best .... on some pix, this seems to make the blues incredible .... do they look like that in the yard ... only for about 10 to 15 minutes, just after sunset, when the sky turns pink .... you HAVE TO go to the hosta after dinner, at dusk .... INCREDIBLE ...

i NORMALLY DO NOT mess with color unless it is so out of whack that it is necessary .. and i don't feel like running back out .. or it got too dark .. cuz i didn't start taking pix until after sunset.. lol ...

in my pix .. i suggest that you focus on the hosta named in the picture... and don't fixate on others around it.. i have manipulated the named hosta to be as close to what i see in the garden as possible.. subject to my monitor of course ...

one trick to adjusting it all .. monitor included .. is to get a picture of your hand ... and then hold your hand next to the monitor .... and then adjust it accordingly .... usually the monitor adjustments are right on your monitor ...

then open the picture in your photo editor.. and make further adjustments if necessary ...

i wonder if i should put this in a new thread.. maybe later ...

ken

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