growing trees from seeds or roots
naplesgardener
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What will grow from roots of a snapped Honeycrisp Tree?
Comments (6)What will grow from the rootstock is a tree of whatever variety rootstock Burnt Ridge used. Rootstocks aren't selected for their fruit (or any other quality of the canopy). It is almost certain to be an inferior apple. They can tell you, or your receipt may say, exactly what rootstock it was. You may be able to find some information about the apples of that particular rootstock, but the bottom line is you won't want to grow it for apples unless you want to feed them to livestock or something. You can, however, regraft to that roostock if it is in fact healthy and growing. You'll need a source of scion wood and need to learn how to graft. BTW, Honeycrisp is patented so its not supposed to be available as scion wood. If it is their policy, charging for shipping can be ethical. Its a question of who's liable for the chance that is taken in shipping, transplanted, and growing a live organism. At a minimum they are responsible for ensuring that the tree appeared healthy when shipped, true-to-type, and well packaged and shipped on time. Any responsibility beyond that, at least in my mind, is discretionary on their part unless they have an explicit policy that says otherwise. I would have guessed that theyed be real stand-up about it. They do have pretty low prices though, so imagine they aren't operating on a whole lot of profit margin. The cost of re-shipping probably kills their profit for several trees. I am curious to know what rootstock variety was used. It might be wise to use something else next time unless it is one that is commonly used with Honeycrisp without problems. It may be that Honeycrisp is simply graft incompatible with that rootstock. It can take 1 or even several years for a graft incompatibility to manifest itself in breakage....See Moregrowing trees from seed
Comments (15)Holm oak is actually doing well around my woods and will deffo be on my list. Although the ground is wet along the south east side, it is also shelly sand and very well drained so I will be planting downy birch and river birch with the sallow along the river edge of the wood but dryer species on the rising ground towards the north and west sides. Pedunculate oak, is our next most common tree, along with hazel, alder and white poplar (am trying black poplars from cuttings as the seeds are so recalcitrant with a viability of about 30minutes (it feels). Oh yeah, goat willow and a couple of hornbeams are trying to survive so will be trying more carpinus. Obvs, ash is out of the question now that chalara is everywhere in Norfolk but Zelkova serrulata maybe? Just for fun, have seeds of Parottia persica, cladrastus and tilia on the go....and various laburnum for the turning timber. along with a couple of redwoods (Sequioa grows really well here). I am using long pint size disposable tumblers as they allow for a decent rooting length as well as letting me see the roots....See MoreGrowing Palm Trees from Seed
Comments (2)I would purchase a bag of good quality potting mix. I assume your seed has a small root, and the beginnings of a small leaf ? Or perhaps just the root coming out ? Put the seed just below the level of the potting mix. Being careful with the emerging root. If it is a long root, perhaps fill up the pot with the mix, whilst holding the seed and root. So the mix just falls nicely around the root. What sort of palm is it ? I have propagated Bangalow palms, Archotophoenix cunninghamiana, and Cabbage Tree palms, Livistona australis. I have had great success, they seem to be pretty hardy seeds, once they get going....See MoreHelp - Growing large trees from seed (and keeping them healthy).
Comments (17)Question 1 - I was really blown away by how deep and big the taproot is growing on these trees. It's like most of the energy is going to create this big root. It's thicker than the trunks in every case, and the roots are easily twice to sometimes 3x as long as the seedling itself. So on on of them, I cut back the taproot a little bit... I took about a half an inch. I had read Al mentioning that slowly cutting back a taproot over time can help spur the tree to grow more roots higher up. I hope I didn't take it out of context. The first day the lowest leaf of that seedling, which has started to go brown on the rim, became pale and collapsed on one side of the leaf. Then yesterday it went dry. Today there has been no further progress of the leaf's collapse and no further signs of stress. The seedling seems strong... Was I wrong to try and trim it back just a little bit? Or did I do alright? Is this seedling out of the woods for now do you think? Young plants are nearly all dynamic mass, and as such, have a very strong "will to live". If your plant is currently doing well, there is no reason it will take a turn unless something cultural forces a change in course. Bonsai practitioners have learned that lifting seedlings as soon as the first set of true leaves emerge and removing the seed radicle immediately below the root to shoot transition zone and treating the top as a cutting eliminated taproot issues entirely in most plants. In stubborn plants with a hard tendency toward vertical roots, you'll need to regularly remove all first order roots (attached to main stem) growing downward from the root to shoot transition zone as well as all second order roots growing up or down off the first order roots. Question 2 - related to question 1, regarding the other seedling I root pruned a little. This one I took a little more off of because of root rot. I know I had to take it off, and I also took off a bit of taproot for this one too. The seedling itself seems fine. The uppermost leaf - which is fairly new and thin yet - went limp the first day, but has become stronger and greener these last two days. I know I had to take off the bad roots, but I was worried I went too far. I'm hoping I'm seeing indications that I didn't? Only way to tell is by putting a waiting period behind you during which the plant retains its turgidity throughout the daylight hours. Stomata close at night and slow water loss, so unhealthy plants have opportunity to recover from low internal water pressure and wilting. No wilt during the day is a good indication to bet on full recovery. Question 3 - When I was done, I investigated the 5 'dead' seedlings. Two of them looked like some of Al's bare-root pictures. The main part of the taproot was healthy, seemed alive, and had small alive roots still growing from it. but the end of the root was truncated in mush, much of which fell off into the soil. I washed them as clean as I could in a mist spray and cut off the mushy end to clean root. Then I potted those in 5:1:1 too. I'm hoping against hope that I might be able to save them. The top id dead back to the twiggy stump... Any thoughts if they might come back? Anything special I might do for them to give them the best shot - for instance a special fertilizer or watering strategy? Withhold fertilizer until the plant recovers. DAMP or MOIST are the operative words. If the fungal infection has gummed up the plumbing such that a vascular connection between roots and shoots isn't in the offing, it's a goner. If the infection isn't systemic, the possibility of retaining viability is still on the table. What kills cuttings is the inability to make that plumbing connection due to rot, or the cutting having an inadequate energy reserve. If the plant/cutting/seedling runs out of reserve energy while it still a net user of energy instead of a net producer of energy, it's over. 4: I have 5 I have not yet repotted. They seem to be okay... though 3 aren't doing much of anything, they're just existing and may have some first sign of browning on lowest leaves, but I might be looking too hard too... One is finishing it's fall flush of leaves, and one is start starting it's fall flush... I'm not sure if I should repot them so close to winter or if I should let them be until spring, since they seem okay right now. I especially am not sure I should mess with the one putting out new leaves. But on the other hand, what if I really am seeing some warning signs and some suddenly start taking a down turn in the next week or month? Wouldn't it be better to do it early, now, rather than later? The only reason I re-potted the ones I did was because I was sure they wouldn't make it through winter... I am not sure on these ones. If they were your plants, what would you do? A dearth of mobile nutrients, over-watering, root congestion, soil compaction, can all lead to loss of lower leaves. I'll ask you to spare me from having to do the research by telling me if these plants would normally enter a predictive dormancy during the fall to winter transition? If yes, then waiot until spring but guard against over-watering. If no, repot only if you suspect strongly that the plants will no longer be viable come late spring (June). 5: Fungus gnats. =( I manage to get rid of them for a while, but they always come back. Of course, I was always using compost mixes, particularly organic ones, and they're usually lousy with them no matter how much a brand claims they pasteurize/sterilize for pests. Do non-mineral soil media mixes have the same ability to attract and support these and other soil-borne pests? If yes, which ones to watch for? If you don't already have a good understanding of what constitutes the comparative degrees of container media (as in unusable, practically unusable, just plain poor, ok, better, and the variations of better from 'sort of better' to 'really a whole lot better'), making that a priority will almost certainly propel your advancement farther/faster than anything else you might apply yourself to in the near term. If you need the info that can tie soils up into a neat little conceptualization, I'll be really glad to help, but I think trying to do it in a thread that covers so many topics isn't the best format. Are you familiar with and understand the concept discussed here? Which brings my follow-up: If it can support pests that spent part or all of their life cycle in soil, then it should be able to support their predators too, right? I prefer to combat pests with their predators, like nematodes, predatory mites, aphid lions, etc. Would this be doable if needed? How about we work toward providing a home for roots that doesn't provide creature comforts? In the immediate, mosquito dunks and a restrained hand on the watering can are potential remedies. 6: For the future of these little babies of mine, what would a good strategy be for keeping them happy growing in a container? You'll find an outline here that will provide a plan for maintaining woody material in containers and in good health indefinitely. I know I need to keep them smaller than if they were in the landscape, and that means eventually removing the taproot. I also understand that taproot removal usually starts after a year. But these trees don't actually seem to have much besides taproot... smaller roots branch off of it, and a few have some smaller roots that come from the trunk matrix but not most from what I've seen. Would the best bet be to gradually prune the tap root back over a few years in an attempt to get the trees to put out more roots higher up? Or should I go for broke and just cut it way back and defoliate? Or is it possible that the poor media I have been growing in so far as not encouraged growth at the higher and mid root range and drove the roots downwards looking for air? I'm sorry I haven't taken any pictures to share to give you a better idea. If I end up re-potting any of the others, I will take some. I think I covered these questions above, but if not, ask again. Al...See Morenaplesgardener
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