I would also want it to compete with the Norway maple to slow its growth ===>>> yeah ... good luck with that ... lol ... if the most invasive weed on earth ..... grass ... wont grow under a norway.. good luck with anything else ... if we are to presume that a tree is twice as large underground.. as above... how are a couple little vines going to slow it down ... regardless ... give it a try ... if you can provide enough water for the vine.. in excess of what the tree will steal ... and the vine actually can become established and thrive.. it might be a really cool affect ... i would recommend not amending the soil .... and never watering the vine alone.. bare rooting it.. and planting in only in the soil removed in digging the hole ... you might get it going.. but any amendment .. fertilizer.. or water specific.. will encourage the maple to come fill the hole you dug with feeder roots.. and in the long run.. strangle the plant .... i know this for a fact from growing some odd 1500 hosta under a myriad of trees ... maples .. among others ... are super competitors .... and .. given time.. will take everything that other plants might need ... and norway is their king ... good luck ken ps: even if you decided to increase your odds by trying to grow the vine in a 20 gallon pot.. under the tree.. on top of the native soil .... within a few years.. the roots of the tree will fill the pot.. these darn things arent even limited to mother earth .... maybe they are aliens ...

I planted an 'Acrocona' this fall in full all day sun (I have 0 shade at the house) and have it mulched a couple inches thick in a very large ring. Abciximab helped me with the selection (bnb) and I had the opportunity to see one growing along with 'Pusch' in his garden. They were doing very well but his gardens have primo soil and aftercare to put it mildly. Mine will be in full sun on an elevated location. I am heavily considering shade cloth for the first two seasons.I really enjoyed my tour and my eyes were opened as to what can grow in our region. I am trying my best to deter the conifer bug because I fear I will have massive casualties. But darn it, he has SO MANY doing so well it is hard keep the wallet closed! John ps - I know this is an old topic, but I will update with pics of mine as this growing season commences and progresses if anyone is interested

To go along with Dr. Carr's excellent site: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Friends of the Ha'iku Stairs: http://www.friendsofhaikustairs.org/ Click on the Flora and Fauna link under images on the left. La'au Hawaii Plants of Hawai'i: http://members.tripod.com/~MauiWindsurfer/index.html Plants of Hawai'i: http://www.hawcc.hawaii.edu/laurab/generalbotany/native.htm Nä Mea Kanu o Kamehameha -- Kamehameha Schools campus plants: http://kms.kapalama.ksbe.edu/projects/2003/plants/index.html Kapi'olani Community College: http://www.kcc.hawaii.edu/campus/tour/plants/sitemap.htm Hawaiian Native Plant Propagation Database: Common Names: http://pdcs.ctahr.hawaii.edu:591/hawnprop/commlist.htm Scientific Names: http://pdcs.ctahr.hawaii.edu:591/hawnprop/botlist.htm US Fish and Wildlife Endangered List: http://pacificislands.fws.gov/wesa/hawislesplantindex.html Plants of Hawaii Image List: http://www.hear.org/starr/hiplants/images/index.html Canoe Plants of Ancient Hawaii: http://www.hawaii-nation.org/canoe/index.html A Catalogue of Hawaiian Native Plants: http://www.aecos.com/aml/PlantListing.html Hawaii Biological Survey Links: http://hbs.bishopmuseum.org/biolinks.html Lichens: http://www.botany.hawaii.edu/cpsu/pictures/0.html

> Keep in mind that NO tree will be at its best indoors. All trees are native outdoors somewhere on the planet. > If your winters are harsh, certain trees must be kept indoors out of necessity. Requirements for various trees will vary a lot. You need to join a club or read reference books to find out what your individual tree needs. > Five basic elements influence a tree's growth and health: water, temperature, relative humidity, light intensity and air circulation. Lack of a necessary element will inhibit growth and possibly encourage pests or disease. > Some trees will survive in average household temperatures with some added humidity and supplemental lighting. > Others require a cooler environment that can be provided in an attic or unheated room. > Some trees need to have good air circulation. > Many enthusiasts (who must grow tropicals and subtropicals indoors in the winter) put their trees outside in warm weather to give them a chance to thrive. > One of the easier trees to cultivate indoors is the ficus. Ficus come in several varieties suitable for bonsai including weeping (benjamina), mistletoe (diversifolia) and creeping (pumila). > Scheffleras and jades (either crassula or portulacaria) are relatively easy to maintain. > Among trees that will grow indoors and may flower are snow rose (serissa), brush cherry (eugenia), natal plum (carissa), dwarf geranium (pelargonium), Chinese sweet plum (sageretia), fukien tea (ehretia) and fuchsia. These take more than average care and probably should not be attempted by a beginner. > Many plants that are treated as houseplants can be trained as bonsai. These include some dracaenas, false aralia (dizygotheca), ming aralia (polyscias) and china doll (radermachera).