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I'll try to elaborate on a few things. First to the original person asking the question. Nutricote is changing. It isn't always the same kind of product you could buy 10 years ago. I am seeing blends being put together. When Nutricote was fairly new every prill was a grey polymer coated ball. It worked beautifully. It was also fairly expensive to the average person, but if you are making money growing anything that you use it on, it gives you a wonderful product that you can count on to be perfect. Many of these new products have cheapened the Nutricote name. Hey are mixing regular (cheap) fertilizers with time release prills. So, to me, you can't be totally sure about how some of these products are going to work. For me, that is why I'm sticking with what I know. In fact, I'm getting ready to make the haul over to Apopka to get what I want. On the using of phosphate and fertilizing newly planted plants. The general idea is that you don't want to burn any new, or slightly damaged roots with a hot fertilizer. This mainly has to do with using a faster reacting nitrogen fertilizer.not all fertilizer burns roots. Phosphate doesn't burn like nitrogen. So it isn't the use of any fertilizer, more just dealing with nitrogen. I have the time to use different fertilizers at different times of the year. What I do is use different products that will manipulate my plants so that they do exactly what I want them to do. Nitrogen makes things grow. Phosphate is the middle number of the three main numbers on the label. Phosphate will grow roots on plants and will force flowers on flowering plants. Its like with growing bougainvilleas. Give them a lot of nitrogen and they grow to be big and beautiful, but not many flowers. Cut down on the N and jam them with phosphate and in about 3 to 4 weeks they are flowering all over the place. You are right about phosphate not mixing with water very well. This is why our laundry detergents cut out phosphates decades ago. I only use it when I'm trying to grow roots, so normally, just when something first gets planted. It is probably not the best product for the environment, but I haven't used a bottled insecticide on my plants in 8 years, so I think I could be doing a lot worse. On using the phosphate when planting a longer term plant, like trees. When I was younger, over a 12 year period, I planted around 8000 trees. Many times we would plant them in the late fall so that they can root in all winter and have a bigger root system that might be ready for spring. People don't realize that when you plant trees in spring, they don't have a good root system that is ready for summer and they just make it through the first season. Most professional growers will tell you, make a bigger bottom and you will get a bigger top. If you have no bottom your not going to get the top to grow fast. When people really wanted huge oak trees fast, we would place 3 PVC pipes on the outside edges of the root system and each month, until spring, we would fill the tubes with 0-46-0. In 3 years the oak trees that had the phosphate added were around three times the canopy. I have a lot more stories as well, like being able to grow a st Augustine lawn without using the water that everybody else uses.

Yes, we have three papayas, and one fig- I couldn't see them out the window I was typing near, LOL. Also a sea grape, but not sure that counts... :) Blueberries keep dying, we've tried them twice. I got a load of chipped pine, about 5 or 6 yards worth this summer, letting it break down, and may try planting in that next year, our soil wants to be naturally about 7 pH, so the pine might help with the blueberries. If I can get one more load of clean pine, I will certainly go for them again. We did a you pick em and what we didn't eat we made into wine.... The sugar apples are SOOOO good. Fortunately, I am the only one that has the patience to eat them!!! It froze to the ground this past year, but has come back two fold. I have not seen any buds/fruit, and this is year two for us. It might be a regrowth year, and next year produce...I will certainly wrap the trunk if we get a comparable winter. They do grow from seed, and I did not have great success from cuttings. We got the plant from the USF plant show. I am familiar with floridata and ifas, but sometimes - well locals can give good advice. My wife volunteered today to start transplanting a large beg of 4 o'clocks, to increase the garden-I'm in awe. So happy she's got the garden bug...I want to see her face after she starts diggin those tubers, and they come back up in the spring though :)

Why the Hayward SWCG and sweep when everything else is Jandy? The spacing on the rebar seems too big? Is it #5 (5/8") rebar? Is there a second drain in the spa? Is the horizontal pipe for the second drain but the drain pot hasn't been set yet? Are those floor jets surrounding the floor drain in the spa? Scott