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Venting: Pull up everything and plant lavender

16 years ago

The drought was really depressing. Everything is so crispy. It did rain last night, but today was really hot. So, I look around the garden at all these sad flowers. I see my 'yellow and white bed' is just a total disaster. It couldn't take the heat.

I see penstemons and phlox turning at the roots. I see the deer ate my hydrangea, but I don't care because they did me a favor because it was suffering.

I see heuchera that did great last year just parched. I see thyme that I didn't trim back (due to my not standing the heat) turning brown and falling over.

I see my roses trying to recover from the Japanese Beetle damage.

I see all this weeding and trimming that I've not been able to do in the heat.

So, what looks good? The lavender. It's not blooming, but it has lush and beautiful foliage. It makes me want to pull up everything and replace it all with lavender.

Okay, maybe I'm in too much dispair -- the asters, lantana and buddleia still look good. The big ornamental grasses are fine. The nepeta can't be killed. I'm beginning to believe it must have been around during the dinosaur age.

Is anyone else feeling this down?

Cameron

Comments (27)

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Oh Cameron, I do feel your pain. My yard has never looked this bad. Weeds everywhere and just to hot to get out and pull them up. My iris are turning brown and look horrible. I am just about to the stage where I tell my husband to just mow it all down. It really looks pitiful.
    But on the other side, my dianthus,black-eye susan, budlia, roses,zinnias and salvias are still hanging in there and blooming good in spite of the heat and no rain.
    It has got to get better soon.
    Barb

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Oh I so understand how you feel. I don't even have the oppresive heat that you have been having but the heat we did have was devastating to me and made everything bloom too fast. My job has been so hard lately that it is just too much for me to get out in the garden once I get home. So much needs to be deadheaded that I turn a blind eye. We had rain but now it's all dried up and everything is crying for water. And to make matters even worse our night temps are down in the 40's so I don't know if things will make seeds for me to harvest or if they will just give up and think it's too late. My buddleias are just starting to bloom and the asters that are volunteers from last year are beginning to get pretty. I don't have lantana, wish I did. I am pretty discourage but am hoping it will pass soon. We go on vacation next week to visit grandchildren so that should make me happier.

    Bonny

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    I have been admiring the pictures showing the result and promise for all your hard work, Cameron. Fingers crossed for rain starting Sunday!

  • 16 years ago
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    Hang in there folks! This is what is known as the late August blues (or browns?) I got it at the very beginning of the month as our drought started in late June, but I hung in there for July and watered and watered. Now the past week I have mushrooms growing everywhere and killed a 2" slug (first one I've seen in 3 years!) Rain hasn't stopped and weeds are now 12" tall, deadheads are all wet and everything is lying on the ground including sunflowers. Guess there is no happy medium, if there was, I'd likely be nuts. I think I'm ready for fall, and a rest!
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  • 16 years ago
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  • 16 years ago
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  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

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  • 16 years ago
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  • 16 years ago
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    Ditto

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  • 16 years ago
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  • 16 years ago
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  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

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  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    My garden looks like a battlefield. Dead bodies everywhere. Plant cemetery...
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  • 16 years ago
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    Thanks for listening. We're all hanging in there even if our plants aren't doing well in these challenging gardening times. As I mentioned on the Carolina Forum, gardening is not for whimps! We hang tough in spite of all kinds of challenges that nature throws our way.

    Then, there are the poor folks with all the flooding in the mid-west. Hope all our CG Iowans and Ohioans (is that the right term) are doing okay. The photos of the destruction -- frightening.

    We had a just a tad bit more rain overnight. It's cloudy and that's a huge (although humid) relief. Maybe this pattern will soon break. Our well is holding up, but I only water the potted plants and the drip irrigation for selected sections.

    Take care.
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  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I'm making note of what is doing well in this weather and am just going to plant more of it. This weather trend doesn't seem to be reversing itself. (Not that I mind the milder winters up here...)

    I have resolved, anyway, to plant less "one-ofs" and go to larger swathes of the things that I like. In a bizarre way, this actually lets me have MORE beds for less work, since there are less spaces between plants for weeds to get into. Should also help with moisture loss, since a large clump of the same plant will act as its own mulch (again, because there are no spaces in-between). It's a theory, anyway.

    So, the things that are doing brilliantly in this heat: Canna lilies, lavender, coreopsis (I have baby sun and zagreb), sedum autumn joy, liatris, veronica, BES, ornamental grasses (oddly enough), dianthus (blooming or not), any of the stone crop sedum (will expand the rock garden), peonies. Among the annuals, the zinnia and golden oregano are doing just fine.
    My dwarf weigelas are looking just fine, too. Tucking them into the perennial beds keeps things looking lush when it really isn't.

    I am going to give up on adding more daylilies. While I like them, their yellow bottom leaves just look shoddy.

  • 16 years ago
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    Well there is good news and bad news,

    the good news is that no part of iowa is under a drought listing anymore yay!

    the bad news is that almost every part of iowa has at least some flooding with some portions having major flooding.

    There is a town about an hour north of me that has gotten over 15 inches since last friday. our average for the month is usually around 3 - 5.

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  • 16 years ago
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    I just wanted to tell all of you with crispy heucheras that, because of drought last year (it did not rain in Portland, OR from about June 3 until September 13 or so), I, too, had lots of crispy heucheras, and this year they came back fine! Here's hoping yours do, too! :)

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I am so sorry to hear this sad news about many of your gardens. I do hope you get some relief and soon!

    I think Chris has the right idea - take stalk in what is doing well and plant more of the same. A cottage garden can look beautiful with a handful of steady, tried and true bloomers, and will be much more rewarding in the long run. I stopped trying to grow lots of different bloomers about a decade ago. In my clime most anything will grow but we have intense sunlight and lots of wind at this high elevation so some things that are very thirsty just have to live in someone else's gardening world. : )

    I'm also wondering how long some of the plants that you all are losing have been in the ground. Most perennials, including roses, need at least 3 years to really become well established. First year plantings need deep watering at least 3 times week, a good mulch and often sun protection. You really can not skip this routine if you want to get them off to their best start and well established. And don't go heavy on the fertilizer - let their roots get settled in and you will be rewarded with plenty of blooms in the second or third year. i know, that requires a lot of patience but it sure beats replacing plants over and over.

    For now, I would cut things back to about 6 inches and mulch, mulch, mulch. Also, water deeply at the plants base. Standing with the hose over the plant for several minutes is not deep watering - you have to put the hose at the base and let it go for at least one hour, maybe longer. If you can't water like that then I suggest using much more drought tolerant plants, or even rethinking what type of garden is better suited for your clime.

    Bottom line - cottage gardens are not labor intensive. The most you should have to do once they are established is deadheading and some weeding. If you're doing more than this, you're trying to have a style of garden not suited to your environment, imho.

    I wish you all the best but don't beat yourselves up if you have to go with a different style of gardening. I love my cottage gardens but if I had to go more native tomorrow I would. Well, maybe I'd still try and save the roses. :)

    Diana

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    My garden was in a severe drought situation about 3 years ago. That was a awful Summer - temperatures above 40C for days on end, after a Winter with very cold temperatures (by our standards) with hardly any rain. Mind you, it's normal here not to have rain at all for a good 3 to 4 months in a row (June to September), so this is not what I mean. We are talking about heat wave after heat wave, with no respite in sight. Wild fires everywhere. It was a nightmare. So I know what you're going through - you have my sympathy.

    In the end, the few herbaceous perennials I had at the time didn't make it, but the shrubs, trees and roses were surprisingly undamaged. I did continue to water regularly, though, throughout that whole Summer. Otherwise they wouldn't stand a chance of surviving. To this day, even this year when we are having a very mild Summer, I reuse all the water I can from the kitchen to use in the garden. A plastic bowl lives in my kitchen sink from Spring to Fall and all the water used to clean vegetables, fruit or simply washing one's hands, gets faithfully collected and thrown in the garden. If the weather is very hot, the runoff water from the shower - the one we waste because it's still cold when we open the tap - is collected into a bucket and used to water the trees or plants which need additional water. Once you get in the habit of doing that, you'll be surprised at the amount of water you are able to gather and reuse for the garden's benefit.

    Wishing you all the best through these drought/flood times.

    Eduarda

  • 16 years ago
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    Mine drains into a rose garden trellised up the wall, and it keeps those roses supper hydrated. I also collect water at the kitchen sink, I get about a 4 gallons a day and put it on my hydrangeas. And if I'm really ambitious, I take a few watering cans and buckets up for while I warm up my shower, or to empty out my kids' baths.

    If I could capture all the gray water I waste, my yard would be the garden of eden.

    since i started this garden 4 years ago I really focused on xeric plants, most of these are doing very well. they include rosemary, sage, thyme, stipa, northern sea oats, catmint, georgia blue speedwell, pomeganate, chives, weigelia, buddlea, palms, osmanthus, lorapetalum, lambs ears, spirea, caryopteris, eucalyptus, lavendar, veronica, st. johns wort, holly, hazelnut, santolina, cast iron plant, candy tuft.

    I water my roses on sundays some of the time, and hydrangeas get sink water and from basement dehumidifyer.

    It's harder than the hose to be sure, I'm already planning what to move to wetter parts of the yard.

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  • 16 years ago
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    wonbyherwits,
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  • 16 years ago
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  • 16 years ago
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    As much as my eyes drift towards non-native species, through trial and error ( lots of errors! lol ) I am narrowing down the list of plants that are bullet proof as far as my climate and soil conditions are concerned and will concentrate on them.

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  • 16 years ago
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    Lynne,

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  • 16 years ago
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    Hi,

    Finding this thread very interesting. I am in the Northeast and I had heard of flooding in the midwest, but didn't realize the southeast was having heat and drought conditions. So sorry to hear that. It seems to me, you normally have high heat, so it must be very hot if you are noticing it more than usual. Having spent some time in Florida, I just can't imagine what it is like in that heat, with no rain. As a matter of fact, I love the rain you get in Florida. Coming down in torrents and then stopping in a few hours and the sun is back out, with everything steaming. Just love that.

    We have also had drought this summer, but not even as much heat as we normally get in a growing season. My tomatoes are half the size they usually are and nothing happening with any of the warm season crops. So glad I decided to forgo the peppers this year.

    I have tried to add natives to the yard, and drought tolerant, low maintenance plants to the yard over the years and thankfully some of those plants did fairly well this year. That is not easy to do in the Northeast though. At least with the drought tolerant plants, like lavender. Usually drought tolerant plants prefer sandy soil and most of the northeast is clay. I try to offset that by raising many of my beds some and add compost to the beds.

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    We are really pressed to water everything this year. We had a total water ban for the month of June and nothing was looking good at all. We could use a watering can but that was all, so I tried to give everything a little drink, but I just couldn't do everything. Most things survived until we were back on rationed water, every other day.

    My yard does not look very good right now either. The grass is brown, and I have lost some plants but most things will survive for next year. The full sun area seems to be doing the best actually. The shade area..is near tree roots and even running the sprinkler for an hour and a half, the next day the hydrangeas and hosta can start drooping by late afternoon again.

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    Dianthus did fine with some supplemental water
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    Lavender did pretty well too
    Penstemon did well and produced a bumper crop of seeds
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    Knock Out Rose...didn't do as well as last year, but looking respectable. Foliage looks good and did get bloom
    Meidland white rose...surprised at how well this one is doing. It was planted in late June in a heat wave when we were still having drought and a water ban. So I had to shade it for 10 days straight and water daily with a watering can. It managed without noticing really. Slowed down it's bloom for about 3 weeks, but now is pushing out new stems and plenty of buds and the foliage looks really really great.
    Shasta Daisy seedlings added in June, barely noticed the drought. No yellowing leaves, blooming intermittently in their first year. The short varieties of Becky and Snowcap, just love them. In that same bed with the Meidland, plus lantana, penta, dianthus, silver mound artemesia, portulaca, a grass, some million bells. Not one plant there has shown any sign of stress and has gotten less water than the rest of the garden. Little bits of watering can water when it was really hot and the sprinkler was set twice all season. I am hoping to plant the same next year. It is a full sun bed from sun up to sun down.
    Tropical Hibiscus, Dahlias, Four OClocks, Nierembergia Purple Robe in pots...all seem to be doing fine with an occassional miss on the watering schedule.
    Hosta Guacamole...wow, what a surprise this was! It took the drought better than some of the native drought tolerant plants and it is in quite a bit of sun. No wilting, one little brown edge on one leaf and with very little supplemental water, it sailed through and bloomed and grew three times larger than last year.
    California Poppies...my first time growing them. Did great!
    Epimediums are practically indestructible in the shade.
    Nepeta Walker's Low..wow, what a trooper that plant is. LOVE it!

    What hasn't done as well...
    Hydrangea wilting every other day, needing most of the supplemental watering. Love them and will keep watering them by hand if I had to.
    Oakleaf Hydrangea, especially, has brown edges on all the leaves and looks horrible. Need to mulch it heavier next year and hopefully put a soaker hose around the base or something.
    Surprisingly, Asclepias and Joe Pye Weed in their second year, showed wilting and yellowing leaves with the lack of water. They showed more of a problem then the Knock Out Rose and the Butterfly Bush near them.
    Hosta Frances William, hates the heat and drought. Looks awful
    Hosta Patriot was a small plant that barely came back this year and what did come back just disappeared at some point.
    Dicentra King of Hearts..it was a very pretty healthy looking plant that I added in June to a very shady border, and I watered and watered and watered it because it was so dry looking all the time and it kept losing leaves. I can barely see a little remnant of it. It is supposed to be one of those dicentras that bloom all summer.
    Sambucus shrubs...the dark and the light one, did not like this weather this year and looked great last year.
    Viburnum Maresii..wilts at the first sign of drought
    Ferns...had a tough year, although 'Ghost' seemed to do better than the others.
    Heucheras had a rough year and none of them look very good.
    Sedums, don't really look their best this year, surprisingly, I don't know if it is the drought or they just need dividing.
    In the containers, nicotiana didn't fare well at all.

    Sorry to be so long...hoped something I might have to report might help someone trying to decide what to try next year.

    :-)
    pm2


  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Cameron, Most definitely feel the pain of heat/drought. My 30 year old hydrangea has brown curly leaves, the garden phlox looks like it is dying also, it's a never ending battle of watering twice a day without it helping much. My veggie garden is doing ok, tomatoes and okra and cowpeas making it but didn't produce like they should.. Blackeyed Susans and sunflowers are doing well though.....just hope they don't implament water restrictions. If they do, I'll have to hang it up :(

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    We are on water restrictions every year regardless of what the weather is, it starts in june and ends the end of september. We can water every other day but not between the hours of 10 A.M. and 4 P.M. Odd number days or even depending on one's house address. We rarely have to worry about our water reserves it's to keep the water pressure up for any type of emergency that might need arise. Last year our restrictions started a month earlier because of a lack of snow in the mountains the winter before, but everything evened itself out.
    It seems no matter where one lives we all seem to have our own set of challenges to deal with, all different but still extremely frustrating.
    I guess we gardeners are just going to have to roll with the punches, I think the day has come when we aren't going to be able to push the limit to what we can grow, and grow only things that can take what old mother nature is throwing at us. Well maybe we can sneak in one or two things when her back is turned.
    Maybe we can all synchronize our watches and send old mother nature a collective vibe for next year. Wishful thinking on my part me thinks, but I will be wishing you all a fabulous garden in 2008.

    Annette

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