I don't screw around anymore. It's either good in the form of a shrub/tree or a living, witches' broom. That's one complaint I have is just because you find a wb doesn't mean it should be propagated - there are a million brooms to be found - but forget the ones that are not dense or are growing 4-5" or more a year - they're junk. Dwarf - tree forms - another story altogether. Later, thanks, and stay thirsty my friends. Dax

We have an under-counter beverage refrigerator with ice maker in our dry bar. I wanted something for drinks (white wine, beer, soda, mixers, etc.) and also an ice maker. I ended up with the SubZero UC-24C(I). It has a wine rack up top, storage in the door, and shelves for drinks. I love the layout of those things. I really wanted an ice maker because we opted not to get one in our main fridge because we wanted the extra freezer space. My only complaint is that the automatic ice maker fills the bin a little too full and the cubes fall on the floor. To remedy, I usually turn off the automatic feature and just turn it on when the bin needs refilling. Once full, I toss a handful into the sink so they don't fall out every time I get ice out. As for the panel, it doesn't really look integrated at all to me. It only comes with an overlay panel. The only thing I came across that was fully-integrated for under counter was the drawers and I didn't want one whole drawer being a freezer just for the ice maker. Our choice really was the most practical for our needs, however, it kind of bugs me that it is not integrated. We have inset cabinetry and I have a fully-integrated main fridge and dishwasher and I really enjoy the looks of those much better. Here is a link that might be useful: Sub Zero UC-24CI

cece interesting about the parents fined for the kids drinking in their house. Over here, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, the laws regarding drink are somewhat different. It is the purchasing of booze by 'underage' young people either over the bar in a pub or from an 'off-licence' (the shops where alcohol can be sold) that is against the law. Shopkeepers and landlords may be fined if they are found to have sold drink to someone 'underage' . . . as ID cards are not used in the UK it is not always easy to guess how old many of these tarted-up little girls and skin-headed youths really are. I'm not sure what the age is . . .about 17-18? But younger than 21. In the past children were never allowed into pubs, and scenes of small kids sitting outside rougher pubs with a bottle of pop and a packet of 'crisps' were quite common, even until quite late at night. Today many pubs have what they call 'Family Rooms' where kids are allowed. As the law allows children to enter places where food is served, and as pubs have tried to boost their profits by offering meals, more children will be seen in these places. There is no restriction on serving children with a drink as part of a meal and there have never been any ban in what your child drinks in 'private' ie his own home. Our laws have also tightened up on drinking in 'public places'. After complaints about the number of down-and-outs begging and drinking in the streets, often in centres of tourism such as Bath, which used to be swamped by them, the local Councils passed bye-laws forbidding them to congregate . . .of course it is then up to the police to clear them off the streets. Is this now the same in the US? I remember a visit to San F. was marred many years ago by the sight of winos lying unconscious in the gutters.

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