Heirloom's and Pickering's version is indeed different from others. Assuming that the story is correct that 'Quatre Saisons Blanc Mousseux'(Perpetual White Moss) is a sport of the "real" Autumn Damask, then it must be the paler pink one that everyone else sells that is the real thing, since it is the paler one that does produce that sport occasionally (nice photo of it on helpmefind.com, under 'Quatre Saisons Blanc Mousseux'. Or use the link below for a photo I took of the sport at Mottisfont Abbey.) The deeper pink rose is a beautiful thing in its own right, but definitely different. Here is a link that might be useful: Perpetual White Moss Sporting on Autumn Damask

I'm really getting in the mood to do the deed on Rosette Delizy, Carnation, Mrs Dudley Cross, Mme Caroline Testout, Cramoisi Superieur, Jean Bach Sisley, Rose Nabonnand and Lamarque. Sadly, RD was one of the first glamour shots I fell for, but very small plain pale yellow flowers and a very wide V-shape that takes up a lot of real estate are not what I expected. She's a big healthy bush though. Waaah! Carnation - just plain scraggly without a lot of bloom or leaves even with daily water & better feeding. Though I have loved the flowers, haven't seen many this year. MDC - much ado about nothing, blah. Maybe I'll add another SdlM in her spot right next to another one. Hmmm, side by side SdlM's. Sounds yummy. MCT - a lethal thorn tree from bottom to top (they're about half an inch long and half an inch apart all around the cane!!!), few flowers and fewer leaves - and blackspot...in MY garden. CS - what's with this China that it doesn't want to keep leaves and grow canes??? JBS - a good rose for Florida, but he's grown into a wide, airy (not real leafy) bush with unimpressive (to me because they're pretty much semi-double) flowers that fade quickly. I'm not real sure how much 'reducing' he will accept or if that will produce more leaves anyway. He's right at my front door and not real impressive. Don't know what would go in his plan so... RN - young but flowers are unimpressive. Maybe a Gruss an Aachen will move there out of its pot. Lamarque - maybe a move will fix him. I thought he was a massive climber not a 4' tall clump of thin canes, short of leaves and flowers. Possibly, he gets too much shade - not all day. Maybe he could go where MCT is, but if he gets massive in that spot, I'm cooked. I'm looking with a wary eye at Jeri Jennings, but she's such a charmer and I'm so desperate for anything not pink. I think she's probably on her 4th chance to improve. She may not be happy here though. I'll probably stick with her though. Gee, dare I add another one? Sally Holmes. She makes pretty clusters but not many so far. She doesn't act like she wants to grow. Sounds like a wholesale slaughter, doesn't it? But it would leave 90. Sherry

txranger, thanks for the links. Yeah, I like the unusal & difficult to locate plants/seeds so it is a challenge for me... Alplains is a great source, for unusual seeds, collected from out west! Be sure to check it out , as a source. I used to order from Chiltern of the UK (online) as the selection is rather astounding, but the price of postage has become too much for me, anymore, sadly enough. dbarron, I haven't really any shade, to be growing hellebore, here... river_crossroads, I can only wish there were more local nurseries located near me, that carried greater varieties of perennials, like you have, located so close to you... I suppose, unless more items are listed as 'in stock' sometime soon, I can only otherwise presume I was too late & will have to wait until spring shipping for some things & pay the price of numerous shipping costs, just to get a few things from each different mail order source. Be it seed, potted plants or bare roots...

Pteroceltis: Looks like you'll have plenty to look forward to for generations to come. I only have one general comment on something from your list above. "Quercus prinus and Quercus michauxii (Chestnut and Swamp Chestnut Oaks): Will flank part of an alley that runs along side a pumpkin patch. Will be interesting to have a side-by-side comparison of these uncommon (around here at least) very similar Oaks." Actually (other than leaf morphology) these are quite dissimilar trees. Quercus prinus, the Chestnut Oak, occurs naturally around here on xeric upland sites in association with Blackjack Oak, Scarlet Oak, and White Oak, has huge flattened ridged and furrowed bark more like a Red Oak group tree than like the White Oak group it is a member of. It has big long oblong acorns, with a relatively shallow cap. I have never seen much more than yellow to yellow-brown fall color on this species, though it is supposed to be able to produce some orange. Quercus michauxii, the Swamp Chestnut Oak, on the other hand occurs naturally here in bottomlands, swamps, and along sedentary streams in association with Sweetgum, Blackgum, Overcup Oak, and Pin Oak, and has the typical scaly flaking bark like White Oak and Swamp White Oak. The acorns are also large, but not as long relative to width, and the cap covers more of the seed. This tree often has nice red fall color, though not quite up there in fluorescence with Nyssa or Acer rubrum. None of this will matter when under the care of a patient plantsman. It may matter in siting them, if you are looking for longevity and for natural reproduction of the species. Have fun with your menagerie, and report often.