but....expensive? LOL

My Emily arrived the other day from Cedar, it had a couple blooms on it, how gorgeous, but snipped them off so the energy will go into the roots.

I have the day off tomorrow, I'll be planting my roses ;)

Sharon

The roses were not bad priced for DG. $17 for 6" square pots.
My roses will be here this week from Cedar. Can't wait.
Happy planting Sharon.
Shelley

Hi all,
I tried to keep it under control this year but of course failed miserably in that department..lol.

New additions this year include.
Rosarium Uetersen
Friesinger Morgenrote
Antike '89
Folksinger
Distant Drums
Tradescant
The Mayflower
Winchester Cathedral
Abe Darby
Martin Frobisher
Felix LeClerc
The Fairy
Morden Blush
Morden Centennial
Lambert Closse
Winnipeg Parks
Morden Sunrise
Morden Ruby
Rio Samba
Sunsprite
Intrigue

Some in the hardy bed, some in the tender "protect the heck outa" bed and some in pots that live in the attached garage over the winter.

Ahh the lenghts we go to for the roses we just "gotta have"
shootingstar2

Shelley, who is DG?

Nice roses shootingstar! Keep us informed how hardy they do for you.

I can't believe how fast Hawkeye Belle is sprouting new growth at the base! I'm so happy about this, I thought it was a goner ;) I'll be ordering Bucks like crazy next year for sure now that I know they are HARDY!

Sharon

Dutch Growers.
Sharon, I knew you would like the Bucks.

That's good to hear that your Hawkeye Belle is doing great......especially since I kept shooting my mouth off about it.;^) Did you winter protect it at all?

Ahhh, DG, my favourite GH when I lived in Saskatoon!

Yes Laurie, I did winter protect Hawkeye. I covered it with dry straw around Halloween and in that spot there must of been 5 feet of snow that drifted onto that bed.
We don't always get snow like that every year thou.

I hope Cedar sells more own-root Buck's next year, I want them all now. LOL

Sharon

So everyone,

How did your garden grow last year with all the new roses?

I'm just taking notes for this year, I had Distant Drums, cottage rose, the fairy. They did well last year 07' as they always do. I have had them for 4-5 years now.

thanks
-Karyn

My roses did fine last summer. I guess the real test is this spring. I hope I do not have any losses.

Shelley

Me too, most of them grew fine except the summer was a lot drier than I would have liked. I'm thinking in future I will do more lilies and daylilies with this sandy soil I've got. A couple of the ones from Pickerings didn't make it.

My roses did really good last year - althought they are all hardy roses. I will wait to see how the Morden fireglow comes back this year, as it is the first to lose the snow cover in the chinook weather. I do have 9 other hardy roses that I planted last year, so it will be exciting to see how much winter kill I have. I do expect them all to live though!

Janet

We added a truck load last year...lol..i think we are up to 34 or 35, and all did well except for Folksinger, it was a mildew mess pretty much through the whole season.

We added or had already:

Champlain (or not I think it is a mis-label)
Morden Sunrise - luv it
Winnipeg Parks - luv it
Lambert Closse - small still
Morden Centenial - good 1st year performance
Morden Blush - going to luv it for sure when bigger
Hope for Humanity - great colour - some mildew
Prairie Joy (was labeled Prairie Dawn)-WOW luv it
Rugosa Turbo (luv this one a real trooper)
Felix LeClerc - still small,did not bloom yet
John Davis - good performance
Jacques Cartier/Marchesa Boccella - really luv this one
Abe Darby - grew huge, very nice, good repeat
Winchester Cathedral - have a pink & white, really like
Tradescant - great colour and scent
The Fairy - hubby loves this one
Folksinger - may meet Mr Shovel if it mildews again
The Mayflower -slow start then really liked it
Distant Drums - WOW....
Friesinger Morgenrote (wow-luv it)
Rosarium Uetersen (luv-it)
Antike '89 (did not bloom 1st year but a 8-9'canes-wow)
Henry Hudson - an old fav
Martin Frobisher - did very well
Quadra - great colour & performance
and 2 William Baffins - what was I thinking...lol

Garage Roses were:

Gruss an Aachen
Sunsprite
Intrigue
Rio Samba (hubby's favourite hands down)
Beauty Secret
Janna

What grew the BEST for me last year was hubby's love of roses, I did not expect it and he got right into it. He was always there asking what he could do to help and he listened when I babbled on about the roses. We brought Beauty Secret in and grew it over the winter, it is blooming right now second winter bloom. I also scooped 5 micro mini's at wallyworld in Jan. and divided them and took cuttings. We have about 35 of them in the basement under grow lights that are blooming their heads off right now. He sure surprised me as he is loving this "roses in the winter" thing, and fusses over them as much as I do.

So now that we are both officially out of control we have 31 coming this spring.

cathy (who probably needs an intervention)

I have Folksinger too, actually 2. The one is in an area that gets less sun. And boy is that one a Mildew Magnet. I am moving that one this spring into a sunnier area to see what will happen.

I hate to say that so far I have 4 roses coming to me this spring. I've decided to redo my lily bed and make into another rose bed. And since it is better to move the lilies in fall, the roses are an hold this year. Unless,...well no...maybe I'll find a few more to add.

Where are you ordering yours from Cathy?

Shelley

I must have my Folksinger in a spot that it loves, because so far, knock on wood, it hasn't had problems with mildew and it's going into it's fifth summer. It's in full sun with lots of elbow room, so I'm sure that helps.

If anybody comes across a Canadian site selling Buck's 'Honeysweet', please let me know. Since Cedar Hollow closed out, I can't find a source for this one.:(

Shelley,
The bulk of this years order is coming from Pickering. I really wanted to get a few Geschwind's from Palantine but decided to hold off on those till next year.

cathy

I've only got two roses on order for this spring so far, Double Carlos Red and Prairie Peace from Erskine.

I would like to add more Bucks, but can't find a close by supplier that sells own-roots.

Laurie & Sharon,

About the only Canadian Supplier that I know of that has a decent listing of Bucks right now is Old Heirloom-Canada. I don't think they have Honeysweet this year but they do have a pretty decent selection and they are own-root.

Not sure how expensive their shipping would be to you guys though, they are on the east coast.

Here is a link to their site:

Here is a link that might be useful: Heirloom Roses-Canada

I wrote an email to HR way back in December about what Bucks they had in stock with no reply back. I'll try again.

Wow Heirloom really needs to update their website :S

I've been trying to get a response from Heirloom through e-mail too. Not only recently, but the last couple years...Well if they do not reply, maybe they do not need the business.

I am also waiting on a response from a US supplier to whether they ship to Canada or not. They initiated the contact by wanting to use some of my rose pictures for their site. The boss is away, so we'll see what happens. BTW they are all own root and have tons of Bucks. But Laurie, no Honeysweet.
Now that most of my health issues are behind me...maybe... possibly I can try to root some Bucks this spring. I tried last fall with no luck what so ever. I think the shoots that I used were too new. I only wonder if the babies would survive the winter if I did get them to root.

Shelley

Hmmm, I did email HR about Honeysweet, but from the sounds of all your comments, I won't be holding my breath for a response.:(

Shelley, that's really great news to hear that your health issues have been resolved, I'm sure it's a big weight off your shoulders too. If you happen to have some luck with rooting a Honeysweet, I'd certainly buy one off of you. I think I read somewhere that the shoots you need for rooting have to have bloomed or be blooming already, so these shoots are not very green. I had tried rooting some cuttings a few years ago with no success, and after I read that I thought that the cuttings I took were still too young. Maybe I'll have to try again sometime.

Laurie, I hope I have luck this year rooting the roses. I'll let you know if I do.

Shelley

After looking all over for own-root Buck roses in Canada, I saw 'Golden Unicorn' in the Lindenberg Seeds catalouge and asked them if it was on its own roots. Their response was so encouraging, saying "hardy shrub roses on the Prairies have to be grown on their own roots". So I have "Golden Unicorn' on order. I also have 3 Scots roses from Cornhill coming, 'Stanwell Perpetual' 'Kakwa' and 'Mary Queen of Scots'.
It will be interesting to see how last years new roses come through, we have had more wind and extreme cold this winter than usual. The snow would blow from one direction and I shoveled it back over the roses and put down evergreen branches to hold it and it blew off the other side. I did cover the two Explorers with straw early so hopefully they are alright.
Leo

I've been a little timid of planting less hardy roses even though I am in zone 4b. I'd be interested in hearing how you all winter protect your tender HT roses.

I too have had not so good luck with the less hardy roses, seems the Austins aren't for me. So I started looking into the hardier Canadian Roses, glad to hear they all did well for you last year, what if any die back did you see.

I'm wanting something that will be taller than 2-3' at the end of the growing season. I want BIG, TALL if at all possible.

I also would like to know how you put them to bed for winter. Mine I covered as best I could with mulch and as the snow came shoveled snow on them. This week we have melted about a foot of snow and I can see the tips of the tallest but there is still 3' around them.

:) Karyn

Leo, I got my Golden Unicorn from Lindenberg's in '06 and it did really well last year....I was very pleased. Here's a picture of it, in it's full glory.

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I put a chicken wire cage around it and filled it with leaves for the winter. Also that bed gets all the snow blown on top of it from the lane, so the roses are quite protected. Any of the Explorer roses, I have never winter protected, and they all usually come back with at least half of their canes green in the spring.

Karyn, John Davis gets to about 5' for me, but it's on a trellis, and I don't know how well it would do as a bush. JP Connell, I've had for 6 or 7 years, and it usually gets about 4' or taller by the end of summer. Red Rubusta got to almost 4' last year, and it was only it's second summer, so I'm not sure what to expect for this year.

We often spend most of the winter without snow cover, so I mulch my roses with straw 6-8" deep. My John Davis is probably about 5 feet tall but it's gawky - it sends out big sturdy canes in odd directions and looks all "elbows and knees". It would probably be better on a trellis. It rarely has any winterkill. My Hansas get to 4-5 feet tall, and some years that's starting from the level of the straw, if it's a bad winter. Most of my other roses are smaller or too young for me to know yet. I have two other big ones. My Scotch Altai - single, white, onceblooming and very early. It requires regular pruning to keep it under control - I let it get to 5-6 feet tall and 8 feet wide, and never winterkills. My other tall rose is an unknown single white - nasty thorns, makes a good fence/windbreak. It gets some winterkill, but that just makes it meaner.

Connie

I do not do any protecting of my roses in the fall.(I'm lazy)
But I do water everything really well before they go to sleep.
I generally search for roses that are listed for zone 4 and lower. The Bucks fit the bill and I'm having success with the Baileys too.

Leo, my Golden Unicorns are from Lindenberg too.

Karyn,my tallest rose bush is Alexander Mackenzie. It probably reaches close to 5' by the end of the year. I also would recommend Prairie Joy. It doesn't get as big as AM, but it is still one of the bigger ones in my garden. Dieback depends on the winter as well as the snow cover. But these 2 usually for me have 3 feet or more left after pruning in the spring. Both of these are my better bloomers with good repeat.
Prairie Peace gets to about 6' here and Theresa Bugnet is another taller one. These 2 have very little die back. Both are earlier bloomers with a bit of repeat in the year.

Shelley

I ws looking for a Prairie Joy last year and was told it is no longer being grown but replaced by Prairie Princess and Prairie Dawn. They are both very much the same.

I have Prairie Princess. It is a blooming machine as well. The branches are quite spindly and do bow down. I think this one would work well with a trellis as it could be quite tall.
If they are no longer propagating Prairie Joy, it is a shame.

Shelley

I just checked out Cornhill Nursery for Buck roses, since they are only about 1/2 hr drive away. To my surprise, they only carry one, so I asked them why. Got a reply this morning that they only grow roses that don't need any winter protection. They had tried some in the past, but would rate them the same as the Austins. He did say that they would be doing more testing on the Bucks.

Shelley

Thanks for the info. Would love to see pics of Praire Joy, and Theresa Bugnet if any one has them.

I'm going on the hunt. Our local shops haven't even started bringing in plants yet.

Thanks so much.

karyn

{{gwi:223812}}Therese Bugnet is hard to beat. This is after a 4" overnight rain. The only problem is powdery mildew in the late summer.
Shelly, what is you opinion of 'Prairie Dawn'. Her sister 'Prairie Youth' is one of my favourite roses but Lynne at Ceddar Hollow so disliked P Dawn that they discontinued it.
leo

Leo, I do not have Prairie Dawn or Prairie Youth. So I have really no input on them.
I have seen pictures of them both??? I'm not sure what to think. But I do love Prairie Joy. Below are a couple pic's of mine.

Shelley

Oh yeah what a stinker, I can see why they quit propagating it (complete sarcasm). It reminds me a lot of Bonica, very pretty Shelley!

beegood,

I got my prairie joy last spring at a local greenhouse, however it was labeled prairie dawn...FWIW

happytobeme

Pickering carries both prairie joy & therese bugnet

cathy

Bloomorelse, that's interesting about what Cornhill Nursery has to say about Austins vs. Bucks. I'm no expert on either, but I've tried 4 Austins over the years, and only one survived one winter and then didn't make it the next year. Whereas with the Bucks, I've got 2 going into their fifth summer.

cathy,

Thanks for the info. I never thought to look there for them.

I love the name Theresa Bugnet, I picture this cute little girl with a net over her head watering the roses. :)

karyn

karyn

Thanks...now i'll never be able to look a TB again without also seeing your mental image..lol..

Incidentally, I think it is supposed to be pronounced like Boon-yay. I could be wrong though, happens all the time ;-)

cathy

Has anyone here tried to overwinter Hot Cocoa ?

Hey, all! I am new to these forums, and this is my first posting in "Far North." I am not quite as far north as some here, nothern Illinois for zone 4b-5a.

I am expecting roses from HR this May: Jude the Obscure, Cassie,CL Cecile Brunner, and Darlow's Enigma. (Have you ever placed an order in the Fall, only to wonder, Come Spring, "What was I thinking?")

I am salivating over the photos of Buck roses, and want more, now that I gaining an overall vision of where my plants will go.

Last year I planted my first roses, two Zephies (Lots of cane growth, no blooms) and a Knockout.

I can hardly stand waiting for the right weather!

I can't wait to get my Hazeldean Koren ;)

I ordered some own root roses from Valley K Greenhouse as well this year.

Alchymist
Carefree Beauty - Buck
Rosa Mundi
Rosarium Uetersen
Topaz Jewel

Sharon

It was nice enough today that I took time to clear sod from one of the few spots with enough sun for roses. I will be putting 'Kakwa' and 'Stanwell Perpetual' there. Then I still have to decide where to put 'Mary Queen of Scots' and 'Golden Unicorn'. 'Alika' and 'Ames Climber' go along the fence in back of the other roses. A friend offered to pick up a 'Hazeldean' from Dieter Martin's if it is thawed enough there to get it out of the field which will mean taking up some more lawn.
Leo

Well I'm probably throwing my money away, but I've ordered the following:
Cheer up
Denver's Dream
Starina
Teddy Bear
Irresistible
Hot Tamale
Loving Touch

Picked a delivery date of mid-May. There was still so much snow when I ordered, I figured it would be that late before the snow melted. Most of the snow in the area I want to plant (an existing bed next to the house) has no snow left. I think after seeing the damage on the current plants, I'll have to build a little A-frame for them all. My DH hawled down the snow from the roof and it was so heavy that it broke a lot of the shrubs that were in there.

Joan

Well, my roses did well this year. I overwintered by merely putting grocery store bags filled with shredded newspaper under the rose branches. Then I made sure I shoveled extra snow over them. I've got canes that are green for 1 foot!

These are the ones I've overwintered in the garden:

1. Moondance - TENDER
2. Julia Child - TENDER
3. Golden Celebration - TENDER ***
4. Elizabeth Taylor - TENDER ***
5. Mary Rose - TENDER ***
6. Brother Cadfael TENDER ***
7. Alexander MacKenzie
8. Molineux (not very hardy) - TENDER
9. Living Easy - TENDER

10. Morden Centennial
11. Hansa
12. Pink Grootendorst
13. Henry Hudson
14. Black Cherry - TENDER
15. Tournament of Roses - TENDER
16. Crimson Glory - TENDER
17. Honey Perfume - TENDER ***
18. Paul Shriville - TENDER
19. Fisherman's Friend - TENDER
20. L.D. Braithwaite - TENDER ***
21. About Face - TENDER
22. Blanc Double de Coubert
23. Chrysler Imperial - TENDER
24. Frederic Mistral - TENDER
25. Morden Blush
26. Cherry Parfait - TENDER
27. Iceberg - TENDER
28. Shropshire Lad - TENDER
29. Daybreaker - TENDER
30. Liebezauber - TENDER ***
31. J.P. Connell

The TENDER roses that I've found extra hardy are marked by ***. I've REALLY noticed the difference with the bag method. It is FAR superior to any other method for winter protection I've used.

I've also got about 20 new roses coming!!!

Carol

That's great Carol. I did read about your success of the shredded paper in plastic bags earlier. You wait til the ground if frozen before you pack in your bags...maybe November or December? I guess I'll never know unless I try some.

Joan

Carol,
I'm interested, please do tell more about this. Do they help keep the canes from being broken by the weight of the snow or for insulation?

-Karyn

needed to move this up again, i'm still doing research on all the GREAT suggestions.

Karyn

Cathy,

I ordered Theresa Bugnet and her sister Marie. They will be here the 2nd week of July. I'm so Excited. Did you know there is a "whole family" of Bugnets but for some strange reason only a few are rated as being cold hardy the others are Z6 or higher.

I'll post pictures when I can.

Everyone,

Any new pictures from this year yet? I have bud on all here and my Distant Drums opened up this morning but wouldn't you know it it's raining cats & dogs today.

And Oh the iris! I planted 3 years ago have opened and have been enjoying them the past couple of days. :)

Karyn

Here is a link that might be useful: Bugnet family

Joan - I do the bags right before the first big freeze.

Karyn - Mostly for insulation.

Carol :)