I don't think organic seedlings, rock dust or other products (compost tea) available in No Cal nursery centers have caught on so strongly down here. You're doing the right thing to call around to try and find what you want. Organic seeds are pretty common from a number of vendors, but I'm not so sure about seedlings.

Robin, David does cite an exception to your list - the Deut will be happy almost anywhere in your yard and would enjoy the winter rains. Just as some additional information, one thing I've noticed is that there are several, if not hundreds, of exceptions, but in general most pachycauls go dormant. Under the above-mentioned structure, of all my Adeniums the Adenium arabicum never lost its leaves (so I watered it in winter) and, oddly enough, the from-the-winter-rainfall-area Pachypodium namaquanum lost its leaves for the briefest amount of time of all my Pachys (I had around 11), so if it was in leaf I kept watering it, although in San Diego they were protected from the rains most of the time in the winter. Up here, my Fockea edulis, Raphionacme flanaganii and Jacaratia corumbensis do not go out of leaf in winter, so they get some water, though not as much as in summer, when they're outside and in full (shaded) sun. The rest of the usual suspects (Cyphostemmas and Burseras, with the odd Commiphora) go dormant wherever I've had them. But I'd agree with you - learn what you have and where it's from, and that will help a lot.

I could send you a few pieces of mine if you like. Mine is a Hoya Bella "Luis Bois" I believe. It is the only one I have. I also want more maybe we could trade?? I just started some rooting. I'll need some time for them to get some good roots first. Let me know if you are intrested. My e-mail address is drobertson123173@yahoo.com

Thanks for that info as well, It appears that California Nursery Specialties Cacts is open to the public on Sat & Sun, which is good, since they are so far away (24 miles) from where I live. They are close to where I bought my fountain - Reseda Pottery, and that didn't take more than half an hour on the week-end. Lars