I have grown both the Butterfly Pink and Blue. I agree with ellen 7ny. I think there's a lot of hype surrounding these plants and they come up a bit short. While I grew them, both stayed on the small side, and both the foilage and flowers were floppy. They were in amended clay soil, and got adequate sun. I deadheaded them, so I had bloom off and on all season. I recently saw some at a local nursery, and the plants were much larger than I remember mine ever getting. We moved, and I did not take them with me. Someone sent me some seeds marked a mix of Butterfly Pink and Blue. Does anyone know if you can even grow them from seed? I don't want to waste time trying if the seeds are sterile. Linda

Not in your climate zone so things might be different. BLACK GARNET is a stunning, stunning rose. It has that full thick form thats so unusual in a TH. Color is a deep black red similiar to Black Magic. It just doesn't bloom that much in my garden but I would never get rid of it. Black Magic would be the perfect HT if it had fragrance. Deep rich black red blooms that last quite well in my garden. My favorite HT. (because it blooms much more than Black Garnet). Black Cherry. I just can't say enough good things about Black Cherry. I have four of them. Deep rich red roses with lovely form. Blooms a lot. One of my favorite top five roses, my second favorite floribunda. Great glossy green leaves that always look fabulous. Black Baccara. Another rich deep black red rose. Maybe not to different looking from Black Magic although Black Magic does better for me (more longer lasting blooms). I will add LAVAGLUT which is the deepest red black rose in my garden. My favorite rose and therefore favorite florobunda (I have about 200). The spring flush on this rose is traffic stopping and the blooms last forever. Seriously, they last about two weeks. Never get icked up by too much rain like normal roses. Alas, no scent.

Thanks Mboston, now if my rue seeds would hurry up and grow. I am not sure what wild lime is but I have a lime tree, would they use that? (I also have a lemon and orange, is it any citrus?) I will do some research on their eggs etc...maybe I can spot one!

I would suggest you try this question on the perennial and/or shrub forums. They are much livelier and what you describe isn’t a woodland situation. You also need to state where you are located geographically to receive meaningful help. The Clitoria, for example, is tropical and from what I’ve read requires full sun. My personal feeling is that one hour of sun is not enough to grow anything much successfully.