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Comments (15)Bart ... A couple of random thoughts. I am not certain about what you mean by "poor soil". Is the ph too high or too low to grow healthy roses ? Is it because it is not "fluffy" or friable ? Or what ? When I first started my rose garden, my soil was dead. The house pad and gardening area had been cut out of a slope. There was no plant organic material in the soil. After I scraped off all of the decorative rock and weed barrier covering the gardening area that the previous owner of my home had put down, it wouldn't even grow weeds ! If I had it to do over again, I would approach preparing the planting areas differently than I did, but I was a novice at having an in-ground garden. My previous garden was a container garden, so to be blunt, I didn't know what I was doing. Instead of preparing a whole bed, I dug rose holes. I am gardening in what we call glacier slurry/subsoil. It is tightly compressed small stones with clay and silt gluing them together and cannot be dug with a shovel. It's truly lousy soil, but does have excellent drainage. I compensated for the lack of natural organic materials in the soil by feeding the roses with chemical food and mulching the whole bed with any organic materials I could glean that would decompose and feed the soil twice a year. Over the years, the soil has become friable, but it still cannot promote vigorous growth with only organics and I still have to rely on chemical fertilizers to supply the nutrient needs of the plants along with some organics. (The ratio is changing over time.) I have a no-till garden and everything goes on top of the soil in the beds. It takes years to improve soil this way, but it has worked for me. I agree that it takes at least 4 years before a rose really has it's feet under it and comes into its own. I think of younger roses as juvenile plants. Kind of like young trees and have different expectations for them. btw ... every time you or I move a rose, I think that plant is starting over and think of the rose as a new plant and needs time in the new location to settle in. There are other variables that can impact the viability of your roses other than soil. Drainage is a big one. Root competition plays a role. The quality of the light and more. A couple of years ago, I moved two roses that had been in place for 3 years because they were just sitting there and not growing. In the next season, both of them tripled in size. My guess is that they were fighting with a shrub on the other side of the fence and not getting the nutrients and water that they needed to thrive. I have found other variables in this garden that has made a huge difference in the viability of the roses. Some roses are more thirsty than others and need to be watered more often. Some roses hate hard pruning while others truly need the stimulation of harder pruning. Some roses seem to need heavier feeding than others. The roses are the real teachers there. I started taking notes as I worked and it really helped me find out what roses like what. Last thought ... roses like other plants have a mandate to grow. In our third year of extreme drought, I saw the roses abandon growth they could not support. This summer, it was kind of like they just hunkered down and survived. They did not put on a lot of new growth or bloom well at all this season. In my part of California we are now getting regular rain. The high temps dropped and the roses started putting on new growth and blooms at a time of year when they are generally slowing down for winter. We have had a "warm" fall and have yet to have our first hard freeze. The roses look better than they have for a couple of years. The weeds are jumping out of the ground, too. I am thinking that even tho' they have been horribly stressed, the roses are going to be OK, but it may take a couple of seasons for them to become as strong and viable as they were before the drought. This is one of those times when patience is the most important thing I can give the roses. Smiles, Lyn...See MoreRose replant issues?
Comments (21)According to the Royal Horticultural Society here, and I take it they would be up to date on the issue... ''It is believed to be caused by a build-up of soil pests and pathogens during the life of the first planting. Fungal root diseases and nematodes (eelworms) are favourite suspects.... ...........The best evidence in favour of this theory is that the problem is eliminated by soil sterilisation, suggesting a biological cause.'' ...it's not a huge problem for us home gardeners as we have several work arounds, already described, if we are vigilant enough... although I've never tried the box route - never seem to have boxes handy... ..but for commercial growers, I notice around here where there are several rose fields in use, after digging them all up for sale in the autumn, they move to the next field which may be just across the road, for the following season, then another and another in following seasons. I'm not sure how many years pass before they return to a field previously used for this purpose. One thing I also agree with the RHS on is that if you plant a rose then after just a few months decide to remove it for whatever reason, and plant another in its place straight away, the 2nd rose can suffer replant disorder. I've found that to be the case too....See MoreRose Replant Disease
Comments (39)Curdle- I agree. Unless David Austin roses are some separate breed of roses why would other roses be any different? I have three DA Windermere planted in about a two foot diameter and the three are some of my best performers and healthiest. Austin roses tend to grow narrow so planting three to a group gives them a nice rounded bush shape. I've also planted small own-root where there were two plants in the pot. I didn't separate them since the roots were entwined so I didn't want to damage the fragile feeder roots and they are doing fine. Also if one observes how multiflora roses grow they are densely crowded yet continue to flourish. Same with rugosa roses which send out suckers every where. My roses are small but they are not planted in optimum conditions, mainly a bit less sun than recommended plus we have a fairly short growing season here but they for the most part are healthy, just small. Sharon...See MoreThis is the End of My Garden Hopes and Dreams
Comments (50)Hi Ingrid, I’ve been away from the forum for a while between taking care of mom and then taking care of all the necessary stuff since her passing. I’m slowly, but surely coming out of the abyss now and trying to catch up on what’s been happening here. I’m so sorry to hear of your bunny troubles. I know you get great joy out of helping the wildlife around you and feel it’s worth it to do what you can for them, but I also know it’s disheartening to have them destroy beloved plants in the garden. My rabbit problems don’t compare to yours, but I have lost multiple roses, lilies and such to bunny damage over the years, not to mention the havoc they wreak on our vegetable garden. I’ve had success the past couple of years with heavy duty bird netting around the young roses. I just use long sticks I pick up from trees around the yard, push 4 of those in the ground to form a square around the rose, cut enough bird netting to wrap around the outside of the sticks and use landscape staples to secure the netting around the ground. These homemade cages have been much cheaper for me ($20 for 7.5 x 65 feet of netting which is enough for a lot of cages) than putting tomato cages around every plant loved by rabbits, and the netting is barely visible, so more pleasing to the eye. I’m not sure this would be strong enough protection for the rabbit issue you have, though…with the amount of rainfall we get here, rabbits have plenty of food to choose from, so it’s easier for them to move on along than to try to get to the roses inside the netting. The only other thing I can think of would be “if you can’t fight them, join them” by keeping an area as a bunny garden planted with vegetables, berries and flowers they love, and then plant flowers and herbs they generally dislike in other areas of your garden around your roses/companion plants that you want them to avoid. If a separate rabbit garden wouldn’t be too impractical with your drought conditions, maybe that along with some bird netting would help. Echoing everyone else, your determination to garden through the all the obstacles thrown your way has been quite an inspiration to me. Hoping you find a feasible resolution that works for both you and your surrounding wildlife soon! Leonie Lamesch outgrowing her netting cage:...See Morecarol_se_pa_6
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