After seeing Joseph Coat so many times in other people's garden looking so darn pretty, I have tried 3 times to grow it.

Well I must tell you Devon I am not so excited any more about JC.
First of all it does not do too well in my cold zone and also I have it in a pot and does not look very healthy at all.
Niecey

Diana Princess of Wales...have replanted more than once
will replant her as ofen as I need to.
Abby de Cluny (sp)...twice! Bella Roma,
Tuscan sun, Tahitian Sunset, Angel Face, and Cherry Parfait. All done before I joined this forum and learned some techniques.

The miniature Snow Bride has defeated me not twice, but thrice over many years. Between disease, growth and bloom problems I finally gave up. It's a highly rated miniature so someone somewhere grows it well. Good for them.

Golden Wings. We've tried it twice from two different sources, then in an attempt to be different tried Windrush, but that didn't work either. At this point, we are back with the early species yellows which DO work.

I planted Hot Cocoa a few years ago (multiflora), but I think I let it sit too long in a bucket of water (inclement weather, just couldn't get it in ground in time). When we did plant it, it died. So this past summer my husband let me pick out 2 potted rose bushes for our anniversary. I picked Hot Cocoa and Julia Child. Both were stunning.
:0) Phyl

Souvenir de la Malmaison. Out of four plants (and two tries), two plants are survivors... since January of this year so far, so good.

Divas, but oh so worth it!! Just look at Randy's pictures.

Becky

Here is a link that might be useful: sdlm at helpmefind roses

Angel Face..3 times!! the first two were body bags, and didn't make it through the first summer..the third was a graft from a reputable grower..didn't make it through the winter. I am going to give it one more shot as an own root because i just love that rose, and it is supposed to do well here. I've actually seen them in other people's gardens near me..so one more try!! donna

Funny Neicey should mention Joseph's Coat. Does it count as trying it twice if you plant them both in the same season? I bought a cheap grade #2 JC one year, and my wife surprised me with a well-developed #1 plant. Both were budded on Dr. Huey. That cheap one struggled and struggled and never looked like a decent bush, let alone the climber it was supposed to be. However, the one my wife purchased took off gang-gusters style and became a show-stopper along my driveway picket fence. That really impressed upon me how important the quality of the plant is, not just the variety. Perhaps the runty plant was virused and the other wasn't; perhaps it was just week budwood from scraggly growth. I don't know.

I tried a cheap clone of Chrysler Imperial about 3 years ago after hearing great things from this forum. It was $4 from Walmart. Very inconsistent, sometimes with poor flower form, taking its time between florwerings, and not growing very big. Granted, I only kept it one year. But I was convinced it was virused and didn't want to invest any more time pampering it. However, it occasionally threw beautiful blooms that gave me a hint of what people have raved about. Soooo.... I'm on the list for one from Roses Unlimited this coming spring. (fingers crossed). I promise to give this one a longer probation period. : )

Mike

Donna, my angel face has failed twice also. I will try her again this spring and the forum ahs avised me to plant the bud union deeper. ILOve her too!
Will give you a progress report!

Susan 5

You haven't really given a rose or any other plant a fair trial until you've killed it three times. I'm on my second Clotilde Soupert (the new one is inside this winter)and tried Crested Moss more than three times before finally getting one on its own roots that is thriving.

I'm on my 2nd Work Of Art, the first one reached 3 feet in the spring and it was warm already. My dog thought that was a cool spot to lay in, in the large corner basin I made it and he broke the canes off. It started regrowing from the roots again and then I found out too late that the neighbor put grass in and he waters my fence and the rose was over watered and it died. Too late to replant this year until late Sept, I have a small jump on next spring.

This actually will be the third time for growing it. I did grow it successfully at another home before so I'm determined to win over my neighbor, I raised the rose and blocked the fence.

'Mr Lincoln', it was a very poor and virused specimen to begin with. Copy #2 which was the replacement, is not much better. I am thinking to dig it out and try to get a virus-indexed, own-root version.

'Star of the Nile', the first tiny barely rooted band wasn't healthy to begin with. Copy #2 has done better, but it still doesn't have a lot of vigor. I'm hoping this coming year will be its "leap" year.

Helena Renaissance. I bought a container one at a local nursery years ago. It never did much in my garden. Every year, only one or two measly canes. Only a total of 2-3 blooms all summer. But oh, those beautiful creamy blush flowers and that incredible scent!

I kept babying it and wondering why it wouldn't grow. Also moved it, thinking it would do better in a new bed. It didn't. After hearing other people on this forum claim success with Helena Renaissance in the north, I decided the specimen I bought must be bad. This spring I ripped out the old one and planted a new bareroot Helena.

The new bareroot grew twice as big its first season as the old one had over 4 years in my garden.

Color Magic. I actually did pretty well with it in the ground in TN, but when I was away because of the divorce it died. It is really cold tender. I tried it potted, protected, etc. Got it through the winter, a late cold snap took it out.

Neicey, I had a virused JC. Loved the way it looked though and got a virus indexed ownroot clone which has been stunning. Has grown to the top of the pillar, had some blooms all summer and even grew basals in the middle of the drought. Apparently some of its parentage is particularly suited to drought conditions.

I confess to having tried Angel Face twice. The divorce thing again. I guess I've lost my enthusiasm - the new purple blue introductions sort of took the edge off that passion. On the other hand, one good look at Rosebud's and I'd probably be shopping again :-)

Mme Legras de St Germain and Gruss an Aachen. The later grew just fine in my neighbor's yard.

Too much shade, not enough shade, whatever. I have killed a lot of roses in my time but why Abe darby & Sharifa asma do not thrive is beyond me?

I think that DW must whack them with a shovel when I am not looking.

Thank goodness the rose store is still open.

F.L.

Yes, graham thomas. winter-Killed the first grafted one - dr. huey. And got another 3, grafted. After 3 successful winters, Lost one last year to an ice storm. Still have the other 2. LOVE this yellow and it is my favorite austin yellow rose. Just one of those "have to haves" in my garden.

Chicago Peace -- I love its look, but it doesn't love me.
I'm ordering it own root this time. I hope three's a charm.

Snow Bride miniature - I've had it, but it was never a strong bloomer and it was one of my fussier minis. I'm still hanging in with a second Mr. Lincoln - I still have the first, but the Easter freeze took it to one puny cane and the second one is limping along. Double Delight, which I thought would be fussier, took off like a banshee - go figure.

I've killed 3 Souvenir de la Malmaisons as well. It is not very cold-hardy. It seems everyone else I know in the area has kept it alive though. It dies to the ground here in cold winters and for some people comes back, but mine did not come back strong enough one year so I got rid of it and tried again. The second one did not come back at all. The third one was tiny when it arrived and it failed to grow. I tried grafted and own-root versions, and the grafted one stayed alive the longest. I have the climbing version and it is very vigorous and easy to grow in comparison. I guess I'll give up on the bush form. I wish there was an in-between form that is vigorous but not a climber.

I'm on my third 'Oklahoma' too. Same issues with hardiness plus it blackspots and weakens if not spray and I don't spray at all. The first one I had five years until a particularly harsh winter killed it, the second one died its first winter so never got established. The third one is approaching its first winter so I guess I'll have to wait and see what happens.

My success story is Sharifa Asma. The first one was own-root and was a puny thing that slowly died. Second one is grafted on multiflora and has been bushy and improving each year!

Double Delight. I'd give up after 3-4 tries if I didn't actually SEE it doing well in somebody else's garden. This year I've got it grafted on fortuniana. If it fails again, I'll just plant a picture of it instead.

I'm also putting in my third Sombreuil this year. The last one lived seven years but the double-whammy of 2 weeks of frost followed by 31 days of 110+ heat and no rainfall pretty much did it in. Almost did me in, too, lol.

Over the years I've also planted several minis multiple times and determined that some of them just have a shorter life expectancy than others when grown in this area. Carolina Lady is an annual in my garden.

Chicago Peace for me too. I've tried two plants with little luck. I rooted one so hope that one will do better.

In a way, moving a plant to another spot or a pot is like trying twice. Sometimes that works out.

Am planning to try again with Mr. Lincoln. My 2nd Clementina Carbonnieri was much better than the first.

I am not quick to give up on a rose variety because it can be due to a lot of things.

Linda

I did my hardest to get the Blue Moon going. I found out what it was after knocking on someone's door. Unfortuantely the patch of land I used for the Blue Moon just wasn't right and the project never really got going.

I am looking to try again in the New Year as Apuldram Roses are arranging to send me a new rose as this one failed to take.

I have a location far away from where the original was planted and I hope to have better success this time round

Here is a link that might be useful: Blue Moon - Hybrid Tea Rose

I must be a glutton for punishment because I have tried 6 times now to grow Anvil Sparks. I am willing to admit I am going for a 7th. I am going to greenhouse grow it this time. Sigh....

Trish

I just fall-planted my third Arthur de Sansal. This one is on its own roots. It just doesn't seem to take winter here very well. That is disappointing because I really like this old Portland because it has such a nice, rich color. It is almost an annual; I may have to give up on it.

The orange hybrid tea Wildfire will not grow for me though I have tried three times. Ditto with Rio Samba. they just dry up and die soon after breaking dormancy. I will probably try them again yet again as now they are officially a "challenge" to my gardening skills!!
John

I got a great copy of Mr. Lincoln from the Canadian nursey Palatine. It's in a big 15 gallon can and makes the most wonderful red roses. I tried 4 or more Mr. Lincolns on Dr. Huey in the past and never got a good one. This rose is fragrant too unlike the others I tried. This next year it goes in the ground. I hope it will make some roots of its own.