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Does anyone grow 'Bicolore Incomparableï¿½?

11 years ago

Does anyone grow or have pictures of the rose 'Bicolore IncomparableÃ¯Â¿Â½? It is listed as either a: hybrid perpetual, gallica, moss on HMF but there are no pictures of it there. Does anyone know if is it a hybrid perpetual rose, moss rose, or a gallica rose?

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odinthor
11 years ago
I don't grow it or have pictures of it; but the current state of my *The Master List* database (which database was updated as recently as yesterday!) only shows for that name: "Bicolore Incomparable (Touvais, 1861) HP Dk. red, edg. pink.," and indicates an entry in the second edition of *The Old Rose Advisor* (as 'Bicolor Incomparable'). Lacharme released a 'Bicolor' MR (Mossy Remontant) in 1855, and there were about eighteen old roses in all which had names (or synonyms) starting with "bicolor" or "bicolore"; but it appears that there was only one 'Bicolore Incomprable', the Touvais HP.
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8 years ago
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I know this is an old post, but I love a good mystery!

There are three photos for it at HelpMeFind , and they list it as the Touvais 1861 Hybrid Perpetual. But they do also reference the Gallica/Hybrid Gallica/Moss mixup.

It looks like Rogue Valley is the only U.S. nursery to carry it. Their photo has a Paul Zimmerman credit on it, so I'm assuming the rose is from Ashdown. At Paul Zimmerman's website there's the same photo with the caption, "Gallica--Bicolore Incomparable"

http://paulzimmermanroses.com/articles/types-of-roses/what-is-an-old-garden-rose/

According to RVR this rose repeats, and Gallicas don't repeat, so could it be mislabeled because of a mistake at Sangerhausen? There's an interesting series of photos here:

http://www.simolanrosario.com/a-uudet-sivut/uudet-gallikat/GALLICA-KUVAT-A-B/bicoloreincomparable.html

They show a label of Bicolore Incomparable 1861 Touvais, GALLICA. Obviously a mistake since, as far as I could find out, Touvais never released a Gallica. Only one photo is explicitly labeled Sangerhausen, though, so is that label a Sangerhausen label?

HelpMeFind lists one rose as Bicolor Gallica, but there are no photos, no suppliers, and only one reference from an 1844 manual that describes it as "nearly scarlet having a pure white stripe on each petal" and "not fully double." Obviously not this rose.

I don't think this rose in commerce is the Touvais HP either because I don't see anything about it that would make me call it a bicolored rose, certainly not an "incomparable" one. Even a barely open bloom does not look dark red edged with pink.

So could it be the Lacharme 1855 repeating moss? The description of that one is vivid pink with striping and mottling. The bottom left photo in the Sangerhausen series does look mottled. And the close up of the bud at HMF does seem to show some subtle striping. The sepals are really not that mossy to my eye, but there might be just enough glandular fuzziness there for someone to say it was slightly mossy, especially if it were fragrant.

Or maybe it's some unknown HP that somehow got labeled incorrectly--doubly!
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