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Bubble Bath, Erfurt, and Nur Mahal

sammy zone 7 Tulsa

9 years ago

These three hybrid musks are pretty in my garden, but they are not the subject of many posts. Mine are very pretty. Bubble Bath is not even mentioned on HMF as a hybrid musk. Do any of you grow them?

It is windy and cold. We have to let the faucets drip, and it is a constant reminder of how cold it is. The dogs want to go for a walk, but they wear heavy coats.

Sammy

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Poorbutroserich Susan Nashville
9 years ago
I grow Nur Mahal and love her. Felicia outshines her for bloom and fragrance but Nur is showy. I saw Bubble Bath and Erfurt this weekend in New Orleans and thought they were very pretty.
My dog is lying on the heat vent right now. AND he has a sweater on. Walk? Forget it. 19 degrees tonight.
Susan
nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska
9 years ago
I grow Nur Mahal and it's hardy even in my cold region of the yard. I love the bright colors of this one that is a nice contrast to the fairly subtle colors of most hybrid musks, with Wilhelm being the other notable exception.

Just a LOW of 19 degrees tonight? Our HIGH today was 17 degrees, which apparently "feels like" 3 degrees (I can vouch for that), and once the temperature actually gets down to 7 degrees tonight, I'm sure the wind chills will be negative. Frankly, they're ALWAYS negative in my opinion. Ah well, we're supposed to have a "heat wave" up to maybe 35 or 37 by the weekend. Maybe it'll melt the packed down layers of snow already on our streets (sigh).

Cynthia
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Marlorena
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I've not heard of Bubble Bath but the other two I've grown and miss Erfurt very much...I keep meaning to find room for this one again...lovely foliage and always in flower as I remember it... Nur Mahal was a bit stingy with flowers and slow to take off, but I would try it again for that rich colour...

I wouldn't like a Nebraskan winter but I've been there in the summer when it seemed like a 100 degrees almost every day...
AquaEyes 7a NJ
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My 'Bubble Bath' is still young (came as a band last year), and its rate of growth was moderate compared to my other bands. I have mine against a fence, intending to train it as a climber. The scent of the blooms is much like those of 'Marie Pavie' -- not overwhelmingly powerful up-close like the Damask scent, but definitely noticeable in the whole yard during flushes. Mine lagged a bit behind in growth last year, but then this year finally started putting out some thick canes after the first wave of blooms.

Not much else I can say about it right now....ask again next year.

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lynnette
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Loved Bubble Bath even though it grew slowly for me. However it didn't like my sandy soil so I gave it to a friend who had nice rich stuff. Nur Mahal had rich red flowers and did well, but the canes were bendy. Erfurt was one of those roses that you had to appreciate as a bush. Single ones were not as impressive. Grew very well and developed into a medium height, but wide bush.
Poorbutroserich Susan Nashville
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How is the fragrance on Erfurt?
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lynnette
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Kordes was not famous for fragrance because it is one of the weakest genes in the rose. I can't smell any on Erfurt, just the usual knowledge that the smell is a rose.
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I grow Nur Mahal and I love this rose! In my garden it blooms almost year-round, is fragrant and thornless. An additional bonus is that it is not a thrip magnet...perhaps because of the semi-double blooms rather than packed petals? Oh, and the color is absolutely beautiful.

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