Rose Mosaic Virus - What to do?
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Comments (150)Again, ELISA, when properly done, is 100% effective, and has never once, in the 30-ish years we've used it, failed to give an accurate analysis. This is considering the following: 1. We always enclose "blind" samples of known infected and known uninfected tissue -- blind to the lab -- and unless the results come back with them correctly identifying all of those, we would not believe their results on our unknowns. That assures that virus titer is in a usable range on the day the test was done. In actual fact, in all those years, they (WSU Prosser's ELISA lab) have NEVER gotten one wrong, even once. Pretty good record. 2. Once that's done and a rose is "certified" clean (notice that ELISA is just one of the tripod of tests we run -- they're also tested with 'Mme. Butterfly' and 'Shirofugen' cherry -- all 3 must come out unambiguously clean) -- no rose once certified in that way has EVER later been found to have rose mosaic. Not one. Not ever. Not even in cold climates where all the intelligent people live. On rare occasions, the lab has said a test was somewhat ambiguous, and in those cases, we ignored all of the results from that run, and re-ran them later. 3. While we use the three tests for redundancy, we've never seen a case in which one test came out positive while the others came out negative -- in 100% of the roses I've ever tested, all three methods have agreed on their result. So obviously, the point of this long, drawn-out discussion with all kinds of complaints, is moot -- there is no problem here. We have no problem at all identifying where the disease is. No evidence to the contrary has been presented here. I would like to say that you can't argue with absolute 100% success, but obviously, there is one person who is determined to argue continuously with absolute 100% success! So yes, I'm just working our way toward the 150 posts mark, and hoping to keep us focused on the real issues, rather than being constantly drawn into perfectly silly little side arguments that are in and of themselves without merit....See MoreRose Mosaic Virus & bloom quality
Comments (5)Yes, probably most body bag roses are infected. A lot of that has to do with the fact that the root stock of what ever mother plant the buds were taken from was infected and they were probably grafted to infected root stock as well. As for the difference in your blooms I doubt it had to do with RMV but more likely was due to the all around inferior quality of the plant. Most of those body bags are not grade #1 but more likely #1 1/2 or #2 grade. Depending on where it was from it may have been badly grafted, was certainly badly handled and pretty well whacked off for packaging. Not an auspicious start for any rose. I have many virused roses in my garden and have never noticed any difference in their over all vigor. For the most part they rarely even show symptoms except in times of great stress. Hmmm...like maybe this awful winter! We'll see... We have this discussion about RMV routinely here and there are two opposing sides. Listen to them both and make your own decision as to what you're willing to except. There are some roses out there that can not be had any other way then virused. They were more or less bred/introduced already virused since the only way they were ever propagated was to be grafted to virused root stock. Being that Proud Land was introduced in 1969 it may well be one of those. There have been strides taken to get more varieties cleaned up but it's a long road and will take some time yet before it's done. And we may lose some varieties altogether in the process. In our already shrinking rose world I hate to see that happen....See MorePics of Rose Mosaic Virus on Maria Stern
Comments (13)henryinct 6b, the problem with that argument is your statement "to my knowledge" i.e. you have not ELSIA tested the neighboring bushes as symptoms may take many years to show up (or never but still be infected). Others have reported spread because they observed visible signs of infection in the direction that they pruned. Since they did not run ELSIA tests when the plants were purchased, these observations also do not qualify as "simple proof". From my web page: "Does RMV Spread Naturally? I have seen a number of comments where someone states that 5 or 8 years after they purchased a bush that it displayed RMV symptoms. Someone then replies along the line "It did not spread to it; it always had it". I also have read statements along the line: someone had a bush that performed well for several years and then declined or winter died for no apparent reason. Are these cases of plants catching RMV? Since we do not have home ELSIA kits, we do not know. One person can no more claim that these were "all" cases of RMV spread then can another who states that since a homeowner cannot prove that the bush was not virused when it was purchased that there are "no" cases where it did catch it by spreading. This simply is not a disease that the homeowner can say for certain does or does not spread. We have to rely on 1) published scientific studies, 2) RMV found occurring naturally in roses, 3) in progress scientific studies and 4) the observations of hybridizers who have reported virus in never grafted seedlings." Concerning your statement: "Henry, I'm a fan of the idea that it never has been shown that RMV can be spread." "Never" is a very easy word to attack. My link has a number of "non-nevers" but only 1 is needed to answer a "never": "In a 2005 paper they reported: 500 Rosa multiflora "Burr"plants were planted approximately 30 cm (11.8 inches) apart in rows (the distance between the rows was not given). Alternate plants were graft inoculated with 5 virus sources. Half were hedged with a gas-powered hedge trimmer four to six times during the growing season. In one year virus was detected in 10% of both the hedged and unhedged plants. After the second year, the number was 17 %; after the third year it was 31 %. Mechanical hedging did not increase the rate of spread in these trials, implying that another mechanism, possibly root grafting, was responsible."...See MoreDoes this look like Rose Mosaic Virus?
Comments (15)The following was stated earlier in this thread: "I have a couple of roses that do this and they are doing fine. I would ignore it and not read any remark by Henry." H. Kuska comment: It appears that some things have not changed much since the following comment was made. https://groups.google.com/g/rec.gardens.roses/c/VhgwCRP1rO0/m/Wb9k-OoUpRUJ?pli=1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- While other things have changed: The following was stated earlier in this thread: "Rose Mosaic Virus is NOT fatal to roses. There are many separate viruses that fall under the RMV umbrella and so far I have never seen any proof that any of them will kill the rose. I know I have many infected roses in my garden and even in my cold climate it hasn't been fatal to them." --------------------------------------------------------------- H.Kuska comment: most references that I have seen say something along the line that the virus may weaken the plant to the extent that those in colder climates often lose their virused roses due to cold injury. I guess we are just talking semantics if we try to say the cold killed the rose not the virus. ----------------------------------------------------------- The following was stated by (apparently) the same author 11 years ago" "seil zone 6b MI I don't replace them either. There are so many that can only be found now with RMV that I'd have a hard time doing it anyway. Besides that in my cold zone they usually will just not come back from a winter when they've weakened sufficiently so I just dig them out then." https://www.houzz.com/discussions/1711311/rose-mosaic-virus-what-to-do...See Moreallison64
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